Texas shooter struggled with mental health, family dysfunction, was fascinated with guns

True. They wore pink spandex and eye liner to get girls!

 

Unfortunately you’ve been misled. The most reliable sources say he waltzed in unopposed.

Multiple officers in a building with semiautomatic handguns facing a lone gunman are not outgunned. They are operating from a tactical position of weakness but not outgunned in such close quarters. Especially since the nut was not wearing body armor as initially reported.

Kids were still “escaping” 45 minutes after this shooting started. When unarmed kids are locked in a room the only way to stop the killing is with force. It doesn’t take long to load a single shot shotgun.

As far as I know nobody has ever attempted a mass shooting with a single shot shotgun. I’m just pointing out the capabilities of such a weapon.

I’m pretty sure none have occurred resulting in 20 deaths without semiautomatic weapons. I don’t believe anyone has claimed such an event has occurred. The point is, if you were somehow to remove the semiautomatic option, mass shootings wouldn’t cease because there are many other firearms capable of inflicting similar damage. Removing a class of firearms isn’t going to make violent people give up violence.

 

This shows how poor the control measures are.

 

Welcome to the great Unifier in Chief Sleepy Joe's America where Crime, Inflation, Mass Shootings and overall misery and poverty are going through the roof.

 

Agree.

 

This is where you said driver's license. I'm saying he can still have photo ID without it being a drivers license. That photo ID would be enough to allow the purchase, after the NICS call of course.

 

I guess where we disagree is on what’s important. You want to limit death counts in very rare specific violent episodes. I wish to decrease VIOLENCE itself. You want to focus on restricting firearms used in a tiny percentage of killings whereas I wish to eliminate the desire to kill.

You seem fixated on the correlation of certain firearms and mass shootings. But I’ll bet you are completely unaware of other correlations with violence unique to the US—things that make teens and young adults more prone to violence that the US leads the world in for the most part. Here are a few examples….

1) Sedentary lifestyle
2) Sugar consumption
3) Obesity
4) Low frequency of family meals in the home

Unfortunately addressing these problems is not a priority even though addressing them would not only decrease violence but would drastically reduce premature death and healthcare spending as well. I have a hard time taking people seriously about preventing death when they focus on a very small percentage of deaths instead of societal health and other causes of violence and mortality.

It’s pretty obvious what’s going on. Media is pushing a singular narrative. They are not reporting facts much of the time and they completely ignore or are ignorant of actual causes of violence. They are also guilty of giving these nuts the platform they wanted.

Are you not aware of what goes on around the world? China has regular mass stabbings where very often 7 or so are killed and similar numbers wounded. This often occurs on the streets where people are free to escape, not locked in a small room. Third world dudes routinely blow up as many or more victims than US shooters kill.

 

If by this morning you mean somtime in the last 35 years or so, yes that is the law of the land. The question now is if it is not unconsitutional to require a license to own these weapons, would it be unconsitutional to add any more weapons to the already existing list?

No, in fact typically police carry pistols with magazines with around 10 rounds, but sometimes they might carrying a 15 round magazine, and about two reloads. I don't know what the officers were carrying, but I do know that two of them were outgunned and injured in a shootout with the gunman. That's not a hypothetical, that's what happened when the police arrived on the scene. The quesiton is did the amount of fire power the gunman had on him have nothing to do with why the police were outgunned?

I'm sorry, but what is your relativity to an occurance being very rare? It's "very rare" compared to who?

This is not a rare occurence, it is a regular thing here in America. It's so common that our schools across the country hold regular drills to prepare for mass shootings. Hell, my old job in retail had mass shooting drills and training. It's not a rare occurence... mass shootings like this are a reoccuering thing, somehwere between 15 to 60 people are killed by just one psychopath on a regular basis. In most countries, incidents like this happening multiple times within a 30 year time window is unheard of... here it happens pretty much every year, sometimes multiple times in the same year. This might be a very rare occurence to the rest of the world, but to Americans it is a part of life. Hell, my own brother was in the middle of the Las Vegas mass shooting, he lost one of his friends in that trip. One year after that there was a shooting at my niece's high school. Her mom works as a school counselor, and she is terrified of her, or one of her kids being the next victim. It's a part of the American life

And do you really believe the easy access to these weapons that these pychos have plays no part in how frequently this occurs, and how much damage they're able to do time and time again? If high grade explosives were as accessible as these firearms, incidents like the Oklohoma city bombing would probably occur just as frequently as these mass shootings.

The subject isn't about self harm or self defense, but whether or not a single person should have such easy access to the weapons that can so easily kill so many people at once.

 

Police used to carry 38 cal revolvers and with the advent of modern semi autos like the Glock they were truely outgunned. Why would a police dept issue a pistol with a 16 round capacity with a 10 round mag? I don't believe they would do such a thing. In California maybe.

 

Why don't we wait and see how the killer got his gun before we start trampling on Constitutional rights?

 

The AR-15 is a semi-automatic so how were the cops outgunned? And we don't know what the officers are authorized to carry, but we do know there was more than one cop who were first on scene and they could have entered the building from different entrances. These cops are cowards who chose not to risk their lives to save others. We know something is wrong with how they handled this situation by the lies we keep hearing about a resource officer who now never existed? I'm curious to see how the system let these kids down.

 

Lord you would be throwing a fit if you heard someone with transgender tendencies was reported to have mental disorder to the point he couldn't pass a background check. Let's be honest here, the pandemic and no school made this kid a loaner that followed with mental darkness. By all accounts he went dark, no social interactions, no school just darkness.

 

I don't give a damn about his life and his problems.

The only thing I care about is that he doesn't have access to guns to kill innocent people.

Why is this so hard to understand?

 

Rare by any common definition. As in nearly 4 times as many people die from having sex annually in the US than from mass shootings. You going to castrate yourself or others? Make women wear Burkas and remove their clitoris? Clearly banging is far too dangerous! When’s the last time you saw the media spun up about the needless death from sex?

Do you think the fact food is more affordable for Americans than for any people in the history of the world has anything to do with the 300,000 annual US deaths from obesity? You are far more likely to die because someone else is obese than because someone else has access to an AR-15.

It’s impossible to have a fact based discussion because your perception of risk from mass shootings isn’t rational. You want to take people’s livelihood, recreational opportunities, self defense options, and 2A rights over something a little over half as risky as being killed in an animal attack.

Spending resources(monetary, political, human) on mass shootings fails cost benefit analysis. If saving human life is the goal…

 

He was in regular contact with a young girl on FB. Even told her what he was doing that day step by step. I would think at least a fact checker would have noticed something.

 

Individuals do not need a license to own machine guns so… no I think that would be infringement. Licensing of a right turns it into a privilege. We have a right, not a privilege. I think the NFA, and these restrictions are unconstitutional. I can read what the amendment says, and I know judges do too. Sadly, they have decided that shall not be infringed means we can infringe.

 

Texas gunman 'was arrested four years ago after saying he planned to shoot up a school' (msn.com)
I don't think any of us had any idea Salvador Ramos was that crazy or insane before this. We now know that he had been arrested for planning what he did recently and that was four years ago. We've got to be aware that there are a lot of stupid people out there that are also insane that will do such crazy things. So watch out!

 

If I may interject, I think the internet and some increasingly violent and realistic video games have contributed. Young people are exposed to much more than they used to, some good, some not. And, don't discount video games. I know I've spent a couple of hours playing a video game that involves driving or racing, and then driven for real soon afterwards, and it's a weird experience at first. For a minute or two, it seems like you're still in the video. Imagine the influence of the first person shooter games.
I think the internet also desensitizes people. I've said it before, but I don't know that average humans were ready for the internet. Sensory overload and exposure to things that are hard for the psyche to deal with are two aspects.
You made a lot of great observations, btw!

 

What would you have them select for? He had no convictions or mental health orders on file.
Are they supposed to just divine the facts from the aether?

 

Don't you understand that there is no country in the West where it is easier to buy a gun than in the US?

And that this proliferation - fueled by the lie that guns guarantee the safety of citizens - is totally toxic for society.

 

Do you understand that there is no formulation of existence where I give a **** what the laws of any other nation are?

https://nypost.com/2022/05/27/cbp-o...Q2_FMW-pV-e1CpsNbAamJ9xkXQHLBZbzsmSmno7Er70Ig

Having firearms is not toxic for society.
The shooter came from a broken home, had a poor relationship with both parents. There were plenty of warning signs and EVERYONE around him refused to have him committed.
THERE is your problem, right there.

 

So? There are over 400 million of them and nothing you say is changing any of that. DO you feel safer now? https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43 does this look familiar, you keep avoiding any answers for some odd reason.

 

You're defending a system that allows American madmen to be the best armed in the world.

 

Once again, we're not talking about self harm, we are talking giving a single person access to weapons that allows them to kill 15 to 60 other people with ease, without requiring so much as a license. In Switzerland, if you want to buy that weapon, you need a license and to go through mental health evaluation first, and then you need to continue this process periodically in order to keep that weapon.

Seems like a logical enough process for weapons that are designed for doing that much damage

 

This is not Switzerland.