Where that food comes from…

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  1. Talon

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    Nice. When did you start planting?
     
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    Mid April.
     
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    My buddy has been trying to convince me to roast chiles and other peppers but I just haven’t been motivated to do so. Your salsa sounds amazing.

    Growing food in “temperate” climates is a struggle sometimes . Back in the ‘90’s when I was in college there was a hard freeze here on the 10th of June. It killed all the corn and soybeans and everyone’s garden. It was a mess. It was too late in the season to replant corn and herbicide carryover prevented replanting corn fields to soybeans. A lot of people planted forage sorghum but the high nitrogen levels from the failed corn crop made the forage very high in nitrates which ended up killing some livestock. I hope this year doesn’t pull something like that. :)

    How many times a season do you apply nitrogen to tomatillos? Do you use commercial fertilizer or composts/etc.? We use some of both. There is always plenty of manure and composted manure but once in a while I’ll use a little granular fertilizer (usually 11-40-0) snitched from the fertilizer applied to crop fields. We’ve gone to a lot of raised beds now and it’s very easy to manage fertility in them.
     
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    I’ll admit I’m a bit envious! :)
     
  5. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

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    Killed some livestock?
    From what, colic?
     
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    Cyanide and Prussia acid. Some forage can become toxic under certain conditions like drought.
     
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    No it’s basically death from oxygen deprivation due to nitrite corrupting hemoglobin in the blood making oxygen transport impossible.

    Here’s a good description of the nuts and bolts.

    Forage crops (especially oats and sorghum/Sudan types) accumulate nitrate when soil nitrogen levels are high. The nitrates remain in the feed even after curing and baling/processing. We always send samples to the lab for testing if there is any question about possible high nitrates in feed. Then if levels are high you can feed small quantities with other feeds to make it safe/safer.

    Pregnancies are at more risk than adult animals. It doesn’t take much nitrate to make a cow abort.
     
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    Drought does exacerbate nitrate accumulation. Good point.

    Prussia acid (cyanide) is a separate threat. We generally see prussic acid accumulation here after a frost stops or slows plant growth. Curing of hay or the ensiling process does decrease prussic acid some so it’s easier to deal with.
     
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    I just let my goats eat. I have had a couple of heifers now and then. I just let them eat. They died of bullet holes to the brain.
     
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    Meant to add this link.
    https://www.merckvetmanual.com/toxi...ning/nitrate-and-nitrite-poisoning-in-animals
     
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    Oh, so you're a farmer and not a medical expert. How about that. I'm shocked! :rolleyes:
     
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    So that’s how they make it! At least thats what most people think. I worked on a “rice ranch” in Yuba City, Ca summers going to college.
     
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    I’ve never had the opportunity to learn about rice production but it interests me. It’s a very different crop. I see the terraces they build to hold water on rice farms down south and it looks fascinating.
     
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    Farmers are often both.
    Keeping your livestock healthy is part of the job.
     
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    I guess it's a lot like growing wheat.
    Isn't rice also a type of grass?
     
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    Basically, you have to keep the water moving. Not fast, just moving. So the terraced fields are controlled by check boxes. So you go out at "O dark-30" and see that ~ 1" of water is flowing over the board in the box. Each small winding Levey has one. So the water comes in up stream and meanders out into a slough.
    When the rice is ripe, you open the checks - blasting powder usually. It's kind of a weak TNT - and drain the fields. In a couple of weeks the fields are dry enough to harvest.
    That's my understanding from being a farm grunt.
    An interesting farming story:
    As a teenager, a couple of us got together and got the bright idea to do a road side stand selling tomatoes from a field that didn't get fully picked by the workers (easy 20% waste left lying) So far so good. So we are selling a couple here and there, then a guy rolls up in an expensive car looking like he means business, and tells us "You cannot sell those. Those belong to Del Monte. He kindly explained that "Your uncle grows our crop on his field for us and us only. He promises to only sell the crop to us***."
    We are thinking "crap, now what." So the smart guy he was, he peeled off four $5 bills and bought all our tomatos ( ten pounds, maybe) for $20. (that was a lot in 1960 - gas was .25 cents a gallon!)
    To this day, I realize how smart that guys was not to be an ******* about it. He could have made an enemy of a two kids who may buy your product for the next sixty years!
    That lesson in life, with the honest explanation, and the fair outcome was a lesson in "adult-ing" I never forgot. He could have dumped them and stomped them and threatened to sue our uncle, and I would have hated him to this day.

    *** It is common for food companies to hire you to grow from their seed. If it's not up the the quality they need, they will buy the crop out and you disc it under. If it is, you harvest it and deliver it to where ever the contract says too. Farming ain't simple anymore!
     
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    I’m pretty sure it’s a true grass. But the flooding and water management I know is very different. I’ve seen them using GPS guided on-contour terrace building equipment down south to allow complete flooding at certain times but I don’t know when, why, etc. Guess I could look it up. :)
     
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    Thanks. Now I don’t have to look it up!

    Good story about the tomatoes. Yes, a very smart businessman indeed!

    Nope farming ain’t simple anymore. I was discussing upgrading my row crop planter with my seed dealer yesterday. There are now high speed row units that singulate seed better at 7-8 mph than current technology does at 5 mph. But the electronic over hydraulic controls and global positioning aspects are a generation above what I use now. Frankly learning all new tech bothers me. It’s a sign I’m not a young man anymore!
     
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    Of course I’m a farmer. I’ve told you that numerous times. But I’m educated in medical sciences and have spent decades using vaccines, antibiotics, quarantine, nutrition, and numerous other strategies to combat infectious diseases in about a dozen different species.

    And what I post can be verified and is verifiably correct based on empirical evidence. That’s what matters.
     
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    For three years in a row it's rained and rained when the wheat is sown and we've joked about growing rice instead.
    It really affects the yield having such a wet start and some years it's too wet to plant the full acreage.
    Would have been a good year to have a good crop too with the price of wheat so high.
    Normally the wheat doesn't cover much more than the labour costs of threshing and the money is made on the straw but this year it should actually bring in a profit as well.
     
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    I’ve also successfully performed amputations, wound suturing , c-sections, artificial inseminations, fracture setting and casting, intravenous administration of fluids and drugs, abscess draining, hypothermic care, innumerable deliveries of abnormally presented fetuses, abortions, acute magnesium deficiency interventions, acute hypocalcemia interventions, surgical repair of vaginal and complete uterine prolapse, surgical repair of rectal prolapse, studies of Johne’s disease prevalence, acute dehydration reversal, arterial bleed surgery, etc. etc.

    What is your definition of medical expert?
     
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    Yep you guys seem to get all the rain. Although it looks like our drought has broken. Been getting quite a bit of rain. Had kept me out of the planter a lot. But I’m not complaining.

    I wonder if you could grow rice or if it’s too cold?

    The wheat price is unbelievable. I hope ya’ll end up with a lot to sell. The world needs the food!
     
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    Is it macabre to want to hear more about that?
     
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    It's actually a little scary how much it has gone up.
    France and some other countries have banned exports of wheat.
    Flour is in so many of our staple foods that shortages are going to really hurt.
    People will starve.
     
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    Nah.
     

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