14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

An educated guess? They were in all likelihood told to stage up for an on-site supervisor. One who had to deal with injured officers, loads of parents screaming, and multiple exits. If they storm in and the guy has killed everyone some clot will claim their pushing forward caused the gunman to panic and kill everyone. If they wait and the guy takes hostages, they get back up to help. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

 

I don't ask stupid questions of people when they're slashing me, hindsight could be anything. Still guessing? You're really getting close now, can you feel it?

 

You are the one who said that you would prefer to face someone who is armed with a gun instead of a knife, yet here you are saying that the gun saved your life against someone armed with a knife

 

I would prefer a guy with a gun than a knife personally, since knives are a tough way to go. I have had my life saved by my gun vs both a person with a knife and persons with guns. This happens all over the US and outside, get outside of the UK and live a little. I'm certain this isn't the first you've heard of a gun saving lives, why pretend that's true?

 

Depends on quite a few things. A knife can be a superior weapon in certain circumstances.

 

Okay, thanks, I should have said an unregistered machine gun, and it's not as easy as acquiring a semi auto. The kind of restrictions on acquiring a post-1986 machine guns are the kind if thing I think should be considered for semi autos, especially for 18 year old males.

 

Why would I want to go anywhere where I fear that I'm going to be stabbed or shot going around every street corner.

 

He probably used Wikipedia for his stats. Australia has a tendency to fudge statistics at times. Here’s a link that documents it.

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2010...uicide-australia-rationale-and-program-change

It’s pretty easy to get low suicide rates if you call hanging yourself an accidental death. When we use standardized definitions of suicide accepted by the rest of civilization the rate is 12.1 not 5.7.

I used to believe Republicans seriously wanted to protect the 2A. I’ve come to the conclusion they only use it as a political tool, just like Democrats do. They will all take away your rights if doing so benefits them. At the point the 2A no longer benefits Republican politicians they will turn on it like a rabid dog.

I agree it’s all about liberty. If it was about murder or saving lives we would be discussing ways to make people less violent. The most anti gun amongst us are the most ignorant amongst us on what leads to violence. And they are completely opposed to addressing the causes if they are mentioned.

Facts don’t matter to them as we see in this thread. Only one thing matters—getting rid of an inanimate object their masters tell them to get rid of. Frankly I’m tired of their bluster. If they want the tools I use almost daily to do their killing for them so they don’t have to they need to get to it. Amend the Constitution, confiscate the weapons, whatever—but stop the whining about the danger of mass shootings when they are twice as likely to be killed by an animal. LOL. Better not say that, they will want to ban cows, horses, and dogs.

 

Sometimes there isn't a huge neon sign saying "this area is very stabby, if you come here it's gonna happen" in every bad place you go. That's the point of carrying concealed, it's better to have one and not need it.

 

I would to. Survival from a gunshot is much greater. The right cut there will be no surviving.

 

The "Laws are useless because criminals ignore them! We should do nothing to prevent easy access to firearms by homicidal crackpots!" argument doesn't work for me, either.

I'm still with most Americans who support sensible measures like universal background checks.

88 percent in new poll support background checks on all gun sales

An overwhelming majority of Americans questioned in a poll conducted one day after the mass shooting at an elementary school in Texas supports background checks on all gun sales.

The survey from Morning Consult and Politico showed that 73 percent of respondents “strongly support” universal background checks and 15 percent “somewhat support” the requirement.

Only 4 percent said they “somewhat oppose” the background checks, and another 4 percent “strongly oppose” them. Five percent said they had no opinion.

Eighty-one percent also said they support making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks.

Additionally, an overwhelming 84 percent of respondents said they would support “preventing sales of all firearms to people who have been reported as dangerous to law enforcement by a mental health provider.”

The survey also found that 79 percent strongly or somewhat support “barring gun purchases by people on the federal no-fly or watch lists.”

Seventy-five percent, meanwhile, strongly or somewhat support “creating a national database with information about each gun sale,” and 67 percent support banning assault-style weapons.
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I would treat firearms like automobiles. Buy as many as you want that meet reasonable standards. Register them. Prove your competence in using them.

 

I'm sure they could tell he was already killing everyone by listening to the screams and gunshots. At that point, when the shooter has already escalated, what are the police waiting for? Guess we will have to find out when they try to spin the story today.

 

Well neither you nor I are in charge. We have our opinions on the internet which is worth less than the price of a cup of coffee at McDonald's after a senior discount.

Besides from person to person sales where the seller would be rather foolish not to require a background check as it exposes him to liability.... There are very few times you can purchase a gun without going through a background check. Maybe you can at a gun show but again the seller would be a fool not to perform one.

This school shooter passed a background check with flying colors. I believe it is more of a failure of the mental health system as he had thrown up some recent red flags that were simply ignored.

I do not support stripping American citizens of their rights and their private property over the actions of a tiny tiny fraction of a tenth of 1% of people.

 

Ah! The Europe that was your culture , your being européen migrants and all...

 

Some hundreds of years ago. We are now a uniquely American culture. We told the king what to do with his totalitarianism in 1776.

We are not subjects like Europeans. Supplicants and subjects

 

So the right would insist that either parents stay together regardless of domestic abuse, or drugs or alcohol issues or the children are put up for adoption?
Which is it?

 

I'm only speaking based on experience doing this on the ERT team as an leo, prior to my retirement. Trust me, those guys wanted to go in there more than anything in the world and they train for things like this. What we have to allow for is that government BS slows everything down. Can I say I'd have gone right in with my dog? Sure, but if the on site supervisor says no, you're ******. It's super easy to be pissed at these guys, and believe me if it turns out they were NOT willing to make a dynamic entry I'll be on their neck longer than anyone. But the first guys through the door got hammered and there were several wounded, command might have wanted to wait longer. Second guessing is so easy an internet black belt can do it.

This is another reason not to depend on the police for our safety. If **** can go wrong, it will.

 

Or we could just kill them in the womb and nip that problem right in the bud...

 

People in the UK never think about self défense unless they are already criminals.
They are far more concerned about whether Liverpool will win the next game.

 

I remain unconvinced that this little piece of excrement was mentally ill. That's a defense which may or may not be factually and medically justified.

 

So divorce is a democrat thing

 

Ramos crashed his car in a ditch and fired at 2 civilians who called 911. The cops knew there was only 1 active shooter in the area of the school.

 

Then they must have stopped paying attention after the 1996 gun ban.

"England and Wales have the highest crime rate among the world's leading economies, according to a new report by the United Nations.

The survey, which is likely to prove embarrassing to David Blunkett, the Home Secretary. shows that people are more likely to be mugged, burgled, robbed or assaulted here than in America, Germany, Russia, South Africa or any other of the world's 20 largest nations."
The Daily Telegraph, England has worst crime rate in world, By David Bamber, 12/1/2002.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1414855/England-has-worst-crime-rate-in-world.html

London's murder rate finally surpassed NYC's for the first time in 2018.

 

That has been the DP's final solution.

 

Europeans came to America to escape Europe. Americans historically have always been very anti-European for rather obvious and very good reasons.