Why do abortion rights people whine about a group of white men overturning Roe v. Wade?

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  1. LangleyMan

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    Who cares about the SCOTUS composition? There should be no law banning abortion.
     
  2. LangleyMan

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    SCOTUS has been stacked with radical rightwing activists who have decided the fetus is a person even though there is no mention of unborn people, fetuses or abortion in the Constitution.
     
  3. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    You can't just use the 10th amendment to create "rights" for damn near anything.
     
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    Irrelevant.
     
  5. LangleyMan

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    Individuals have a right to body autonomy.
     
  6. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    That isn't in the Constitution.
     
  7. LangleyMan

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    The Constitution includes no recognition of the fetus as a person. SCOTUS invented the idea.
     
  8. LangleyMan

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    That's nothing more than the recognition of the individual.
     
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    I don't think you know what the reasoning in Alito's draft opinion is. It has nothing to do with the right or wrong of abortion. He simply recognizes that the issue belongs with state legislatures, not with the Supreme Court. Roe V Wade needs to be reversed.
     
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    How is it your business and your decision if someone murders, robs or rapes someone? You can't answer that can you!
     
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    In what other area of life do you think "body autonomy" applies other than abortion?
     
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    Roe v. Wade should have struck down abortion laws. If we want to protect the fetus, we can pass a Constitutional Amendment. Even though I don't think we'd make much difference because mid- and late-term abortions are rare and the women who have them would in most cases even leave for Canada to get them. That said, I think such an amendment protecting later term fetuses might pass. We should not be imposing on women, or men to fight in a war, without a strong consensus.
     
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    Vaccines, perhaps. I'm of two minds on it.
     
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    I am as anti-vaccine mandate as anyone, but I don't think that vaccine mandates violate bodily autonomy. This is because nobody is actually forcing needles into people's arms. Just like nobody is forcing a woman to gestate if abortion was banned.
     
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    Huh? Read the abortion law in many U.S. states.
     
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    I never said it was- if they do that, it is the choice THEY have made. I hold them responsible for their choice, and if I catch them in the act- I make a choice too, and I shoot them. Dead.
    That, on the advice given to me by the attorney general of our state when I was first commissioned.

    So long as you decision affects only you- you can decide whatever you want.
     
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    I know I've played this "gotcha" game before but whatever words you want to use the intent is obvious and consistent (I usually use "mind" rather than your word sentient, and you've reminded me of why). There is a person in there with a mind. If they recover from the coma, they will still have some semblence of the unique person they have been. They're not gone, just very asleep. An embryo, in contrast, has never been anything, knows nothing, has never felt anything and will never exist mentally unless it undergoes the extraordinary transformation the mother's body facilitates.
     
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    Because their life isn't uprooted by pregnancy?
    Their life is not put in danger by pregnancy?
     
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    What does this have to do with them being WHITE?
     
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    JUST an embryo? Or a fetus too?
     
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    Okay, so it's not your business if someone murders, robs or rapes someone. Yet, you think that murder, robbery and rape should be illegal.
     
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    The laws mention force?
     
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    A fetus too until 20+ weeks
     
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    Well hang on just a minute! The fetus has never been anything, knows nothing, has never felt anything and will never exist mentally unless it undergoes the extraordinary transformation the mother's body facilitates!
     
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    You are selectively manipulating context. Your agenda is obvious. Your method.... not respectable.
     
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