Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

As has been stated, the majority of abortions in 2019 took place early in gestation: 92.7% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (6.2%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (<1.0%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation. Over 99% before 21 weeks.

 

I think you've missed my point. It's that you're wrong about viability. You claimed "The age of viability is 24 weeks." But we've got examples of babies surviving birth at 21, 22, and 23 weeks.

FWIW, I don't consider "viability" a good cut-off for elective abortions either. If they're going to be allowed at all, my preference would be to see that point much, much earlier in the pregnancy, like Mississippi / Europe / Texas.

 

You have nothing of intellectual merit to add. My points remain.

CREATED with the inherent RIGHT TO LIFE. What is so difficult to understand?

 

Again, 92.7% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation, over 99% of abortions in the U.S. before 21 weeks.

Most countries in the European Union allow abortion on demand during the first trimester, with Sweden and the Netherlands having more extended time limits. After the first trimester, abortion is generally allowed only under certain circumstances, such as risk to the woman's life or health, fetal defects, or other specific situations that may be related to the circumstances of the conception or the woman's age.

The authoritarian restrictions some politicians would impose in some regressive states are far more draconian.

 

Your zealotry may be driving you to pretend that a Supreme Court ruling that has protected the reproductive rights of women for fifty years (Gorsuch and Kavanaugh acknowledged the established precedent set by Roe, while Barrett characterized it as a "super-precedent.") and it has been and is still supported by most Americans has "nothing of intellectual merit," yet it is the least educated states - Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Kentucky - that threaten to suppress the freedom of women that has been respected, and the best-educated - Massachusetts, Colorado, Maryland, Connecticut - that are determined to protect women's rights.

Where do you come up with your presumptuous "nothing of intellectual merit"?

 

The Mississippi law behind the current SCOTUS case prohibits most abortions after 15 weeks. How is it "far more draconian" than Europe that generally prohibits abortions at an earlier point in the pregnancy?

 

Most countries in the European Union allow abortion on demand during the first trimester.

Mississippi's authoritarian abortion laws are among the most restrictive in the United States. In March 2019, Mississippi's governor signed a bill banning abortions once a fetal heartbeat is detected, which occurs at about six weeks. The draconian law was temporarily blocked by a federal judge in May 2019 and is currently under review by the Supreme Court.

 

When you can debate the issue in a civil manner and on an intellectual level and not me we can continue.

 

Your ad hominems are an admission of your inability to engage in a civil discourse that respects the facts.

You clearly cannot contrive anything of substance to refute the documented empirical data that I have cited as you spout your ideological dogma.

Most Americans disapprove of the authoritarianism facilitated by an activist Supreme Court that is prepared to trash an established precedent of 50 years that has the support of most Americans.

The retrogressive states repressing personal freedom run contrary to the rights women have achieved in advanced states and throughout advanced democracies.

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Mine? Go back and readdress my post without yours.

Then why do you struggle so to refute my post and have to resort to the personal?

Most Americans do not support unrestricted abortion at any stage of the life of the baby. And I oppose the travel restriction so you fail trying to use that canard.

 

Could this lead to BLM/Antifa-style rioting:

 

I don't think we will become a theocratic dictatorship:

 

You sound kinda desperate. Desperation has an odor about it that does not appeal to voters.

"Devout" Catholic Nancy Pelosi Banned From Receiving Holy Communion Over Abortion Support

"A Catholic legislator who supports procured abortion, after knowing the teaching of the Church, commits a manifestly grave sin..."​

"San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone wrote in a Friday letter to Pelosi that she should not present herself for Holy Communion at Mass, and that priests are to refuse to perform it if she does."

She is not being excommunicated, she remains our sister in Christ, just one that has lost her way. The goal of this discipline is to prompt repentance so that she may be restored in grace.

Restoring the Lost is one of the many things things that God is especially good at.

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The most important single detail of the Roe versus Wade decision was that an unborn baby is not a person and therefore has no rights. Back then I don't think there were laws about abusing your own pets, protecting your farm chickens or eliminating resident pests. Now there are. Will this decision declare that unborn babies-at any point prior to birth-become persons. Obviously if persons can still be killed through abortion, how are other persons be protected?

 

Lol…you’re right, because we won’t let the right take us back to the Middle Ages.
Meanwhile, you gotta love the hypocrisy of right wingers foaming at the mouth over abortion while excusing the mass murder of children.
It’s obvious that they care more about their guns than their children.

https://news.yahoo.com/guns-now-leading-cause-death-190042943.html

 

Will she figure it out:

 

Fetuses are VIABLE ( able to survive without artificial or extraordinary means) at 24 weeks

Younger fetuses usually need medical ( extraordinary) to survive.

NO law, no science, no wishful thinking can make fetuses develop sooner than they ever have.....

 

And I'm saying that doesn't matter. "Viability" is a silly cut-off point for elective abortion. It should be much earlier, if elective abortions must be legal at all.

 

That would be impossible:

 

Yes, they support Roe v Wade.

Even if an extremist pretends that a mindless, microscopic amalgam of cells in early pregnancy is a "baby," most Americans oppose statist authoritarians denying a woman her rights in such a personal matter.

The percentage of Americans who consider themselves "pro-choice" has risen in the past year to 55%, its highest level in decades, according to a Gallup poll released Thursday.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/03/1102872199/gallup-poll-pro-choice-roe-v-wade-supreme-court​

 

And most do not support a mother being able to kill her baby at ANY point before birth.
"According to a more recent poll by the pro-life Susan B. Anthony List, 55% of Americans are opposed to abortions that occur after five months. 79% of Americans, including 66% of people who consider themselves to be pro-choice, are not comfortable with abortions that happen after seven months. 80% of Americans, and 68% of those identifying as pro-choice, do not approve of abortions that take place one day before birth.

Only 8% of Americans think third-trimester abortions should be allowed, and only 6% surveyed that abortions should be allowed up until the point of birth. When it comes to millennials, 49% of women, 45% of independents, and 36% of Democrats are in favor of banning abortion after five months. The Democratic Party’s radical position of unlimited access to abortion funded by taxpayer dollars is shared by only 7% of Millennials. "
https://studentsforlife.org/2020/07/28/what-do-most-americans-think-about-late-term-abortion-laws/

 

Of course not. As noted, they support Roe v Wade.

92.7% of abortions were performed at or before13 weeks. Over 99% of abortions in the U.S. are before 21 weeks.

 

The authoritarian statists have not prevented women exercising their reproductive freedom yet.

If an activist, retrogressive Supreme Court trashes the law of half-a-century, and ignores the conservative legal principle of stare decisis, as well as the support of most Americans for Roe v Wade, allowing politicians and bureaucrats to abrogate personal control of wombs, where will these Americans go?

HIALEAH, Fla. — The clinic is neither conspicuous nor subtle — it’s just another storefront in a strip mall on a busy street in South Florida, next to a Dominican hair-design place and near a Western Union advertising remittances to Cuba...

[Florida] has the nation’s third-highest abortion rate among states, according to the CDC’s most recent figures from 2019. Which is odd, because its government is altogether dominated by Republicans...

In Hialeah, the mayor’s a Republican, the state senator is a Republican, and the state rep is a Republican; the city went for Donald Trump in 2016 and he improved his margins there in 2020; and the city’s largely Republican and largely Cuban population has been no small factor in Florida’s shift from crucial swing state to predictably red. Yet this is also a majority Hispanic and largely Catholic city with five licensed abortion clinics out of 14 in the county.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/06/03/florida-abortion-00035799​

 

IF a fetus becomes a person WHO has MORE rights? The fetus or the woman it's in?