19 officers stood in the hallway waiting. Now, 19 children are dead

Really?
You actually went there? Wow...:smdh:
Using a National Tragedy and Crapping all over the Memories of Dead Children and the Grief of their Families--Just to make a partisan point (and throw shade at "the Left")?
Wow...Unreal...
Give the Partisan Crap a Rest...
Quit crapping all over the memory of Dead Kids...
Just Unreal...:smdh:

 

Shall I bother looking through all the new 'we need more gun control' threads to see how you similarly admonish all that "Crapping all over the Memories of Dead Children and the Grief of their Families--Just to make a partisan point"? Or would I just be wasting my time?

 

Would your doing so help the situation in any way whatsoever?

 

Yeah, how many armed and dangerous suspects have YOU confronted in your time? Come on, how many? You're just looking for an excuse to abuse the police.
I have sympathy with the officers, this is a confused, fast moving situation. People say "Oh the pupils were calling 911!" but they weren't speaking to the guys on the ground. If this was a hostage situation and the police just stormed in and some of the kids were killed they would also be criticized. I think we need to know more about the situation.

 

Jeez, what colour is the sky in YOUR world?

Absolutely the right thing to do, the parents would have themselves and the hostages killed, beat them and taze them, keep them back. In the Beslan siege in Russia the parents tried to force their way past the security forces and may have caused hundreds of deaths.

No, absolutely the right thing to do, keep the patents back, they'll only get in the way. Charged with WHAT exactly? This was a tough judgement call and you cannot with the benefit of hindsight say you would have done anything different.

 

Doing nothing was the right thing? Darn right, taze and arrest the parents so they don't get themselves and the hostages killed.

Police officers daily risk and sacrifice their lives to protect the public. I want you to apologise to them for what you just said.

And got yourself and your kid killed?

That's the conclusion you draw? I would draw the opposite. You can say with the benefit of hindsight it's wrong but then say there's no excuse.

Yes and it's because the people's lives are in danger they barricaded the suspect?

Well of course they begged? Who wouldn't? And what does that matter? You speak as though the kids were talking directly to the cops outside and not the dispatcher? This was a confused and fluid situation. I'd still like to know if the police deciding to barricade actually cost any lives?

 

Opinion | Yes, we should ‘back the blue.’ But they must fulfill their oaths. - The Washington Post

A Police Officer Talks About the Decision to Delay Officer Response | PEOPLE.com

Why Uvalde Cops Were Too Cowardly to Charge a Mass Shooter - The American Prospect

Why Texas incompetence in Uvalde may help expand gun control - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

In Uvalde, Extreme Cowardice And Incompetence Among Local Police (thefederalist.com)

 

You don't know that, you don't know the delay cost any lives?

 

Yeah? And? Let's have facts not kneejerk opinion pieces but publications who have a history of anti-police prejudice.

 

Cherry-picking one example doesn't really tell us much. For example, in Germany in 2009 a 17-year-old went on a spree where he killed 16 and injured 7. He only had a 9mm pistol, and Germany has exactly the sort of gun laws your side routinely admires. Why weren't the police able to stop him with minimal casualties like you claim should be able to happen in countries like Germany? He certainly didn't have the police outgunned with one measly 9mm pistol.

 

Where do you see any conclusion I've drawn?
And you would draw the opposite conclusion of what?

 

Fine, now why do they have "to protect and serve" written on police cars. In my town the police are paid very well.

 

Ironically, you have just demonstrated that a madman with a gun can keep police officers in check.

Now that we know this, should we continue to maintain a system that makes it easy for crazy people to get guns?

 

i don’t see it as a cost issue, they just had training on this. It’s a watch command issue, he chose poorly.

 

Because that was originally a slogan on lapd cars, that’s not really in their job description.

 

Yup. The left has made it so cops are afraid to do their job. Any mistake at all and the left will want heads to roll. Can you imagine if the cops knew the shooter was a Mexican tranny? They’d still be in the school trying to decide what to do without hurting his feelings.

BTW, why didn’t social workers respond to this shooting instead of cops? Doesn’t being woke demand that?

 

Yet it is used by many towns. In one statement we are supposed to give the police full respect, yet if it isn't in their job description, they don't have to lift a finger, yet have auto immunity.

 

It’s a feel-good sentiment. They don’t have to protect anything, that’s why I would not count on them to save me from criminals. If I gave up my weapons I’d be at the mercy or criminals who don’t care about laws.

 

Would you recommend we change our system to match Germany's system? Because it worked out so well for them?

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ly-than-the-us-to-stop-mass-shootings.600082/

 

Well if they don't have to protect anything, then what good are they.

 

Isn't this the same claim made against the Broward County deputy (ies) who stood around at Marjory Stoneman Douglas school? Funny how many similarities there are.

 

It would be helping just as much as the comment I was responding to... and yours for that matter.

 

They take reports, pics of bodies left by criminals, and write tickets.

 

A situation that involved 30 gunmen is quite different than a situation with a lone shooter. In addition, the lack of response from local PD to not breach caused deaths as the shooter was just picking off kiddies for an hour. Did some civilians in the Beslan siege cause some deaths? Sure, but they were storming in conjunction with security forces. These parents wanted to storm in because the local PD was not doing what should have been done. If the police had been doing their jobs, they wouldn't have had to taze and arrest the parents.