Here is a thought - how to reduce the number of military style weapons without really trying

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    This idea has the genesis in the story about how Sacramento offered gas vouchers for guns and rapidly ran out of gas vouchers! Lols!

    https://www.npr.org/2022/05/23/1100683314/sacramento-gas-for-guns-buyback

    All high capacity rapid fire weapons handed in will not only get the owner a $50 gas voucher (or similar) but those weapons can be sent on to Ukraine where they can do some real good.

    The Australian gun buy back in 1996 was pretty infamous in gun circles but what people do not realise is that the Australian government HAD to pay people because we, under our legal system, cannot take goods from someone without paying. Giving incentives like gas vouchers just might get a fair few of these guns off the streets
     
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    Did you see what was actually turned in?
     
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    I'm not sure why people don't understand that criminals do NOT obey laws.

    The only people turning in their weapons are HONEST people.
     
  4. Bowerbird

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    Well, it is hardly a lose/ lose is it? Those who want to keep thier guns do so - those who want some gas vouchers get them, and some people would trade to feel like they were doing something positive for Ukraine
     
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    True enough.
     
  6. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    But where do “criminals” source guns now? A hell of a lot come from private sales. Now in Australia it is possible to buy a semi automatic style weapon on the black market but there are only a small number of them in circulation and most are over thirty years old
     
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  8. Bowerbird

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    Sort of validates what I said - they are not getting them through legal retail outlets. Fewer unsecured guns lying around fewer guns for the crimes to access. And this was the other half of the gun reform. Guns must be secured when not in use - if stolen you are legally obligated to inform the police immediately
     
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    If only we could get criminals to follow those rules.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One of the problems with private sales is that there is currently no way to quickly and anonymously verify a potential buyer is not a prohibited person. I, as a responsible gun owner, absolutely want to know if a person I am selling a firearm to is legally able to possess a firearm, but there is no easy/quick way for me to do that. The last thing I would want to do is sell my firearm to a person who uses it to rob a liquor store or shoot someone.

    The federal NICS system that commercial sellers use to background check firearm purchasers should be opened for voluntary public use, in a simplified and redacted way. Almost instant results could be obtained, and a simple YES/NO result returned. Similarly, as a potential firearm purchaser, I would like to be able to know if a firearm I am interested in buying has been stolen. Access to the national stolen gun database could be integrated into the same app.

    I believe the vast majority of legal gun owners would voluntarily and enthusiastically use such a system if they wanted to privately buy/sell their firearm from/to an individual. If implemented with security measures in place to protect private information, there is no downside to making such a system available to the general public, and the reduction of transfer to criminals could be significant.
     
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    Couldn’t agree more. To me it’s like sheep taking off their wool just make a flag to wave down the wolf.
     
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    'Components of ghost guns'... sounds to me like some folks went on a 3D printing binge for free gas.

    I wonder if the cops had a gunsmith on hand to check whather these 'components' were even viable gun parts? If not, they prolly just got a barrel full of DIY gun maker's 'oopsies' in exchange for taxpayer funded gasoline.

    I support this coming here to WA. I can use the vouchers for unethanolized gas, right? ;)
     
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    Oh that sounds like a great deal.... Let's trade in at least an $800 weapon for a $50 gas card....

    And you know that the vast majority of weapons that people turn in at events like that tend to be old or broken or zip gun ?

    Lol
     
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    They were never agree to that.... That makes far too much sense.

    You think that's a terrible idea don't you @Bowerbird ?
     
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    The article you posted has so many factual errors and mis representations that it’s dripping biasis obvious. It would require a critique as long if not longer tan the article to refute it. But, if you already have the same bias and lack the knowledge for a critical review, sure it will make sense. Without getting into the analysis ballistics which I could competently do, I would share a couple of brief comments. The left is often fixated on euphanism (military style). that is deliberately misleading, that word style is lelated to how a gun looks not it’s design or function (the AR 15 is not used by the military; it is not a selective fire weapon. Then too, there is often a false equivalence draw between the AR 15 platform and the cartridge (the one derived from a civilian varmit level cartridge) that is not only not allowed for hunting in most states because it is seen as too anemic to make clean humane kilsl, but is even as I write this being replaced by the military because in the theatres of conflict of Iraq and Afghanistan the cartridge design thp military was using was found to be deficient as well. Does the older generation of the military’s deployed cartridge penetrate body armor… yes at relatively close range, but then almost every cartridge used for hunting in the US can as well. The Body armor used by police is designed to stop most handgun rounds, but not those fired from rifles.
    As for the cartridge/weapon false equivalence that many assume of the the AR 15. The AR15platform can be had chambered for more cartridge designs than I can remember at the moment, including .22lr and 9mm, and that doesn’t begin to cover the modifications that cover the range of different bullet designs for various cartridges ( another topic that would take a book to explain . I have the components for my AR for 5 different cartridge designs, including 22lr that gives me the ability to hunt any game in North America from Rabbitto Polar Bear. That flexibility (and there’s more) is why the AR is the nost popular rifle wild in the US, meeting the the ‘common use’ criteria specified in the. Heller decision.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    No,The left tries to slip in language relating to ‘possession’ where mere possession, not turning in or destroying a weapon can result in a felony charge which can ultimately deprive one of the ‘Right to own any gun. where guns are grandfathered, the must be registered, all part of the left’s incremental strategy to create a Registry of guns, bypassing the current Law’s prohibitions for doing that.
     
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    When did the former Afghan army begin lecturing you about gun control?
     
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    LOL... murderers are turning in murder weapons, no questions asked. How many murders will go unsolved because the government destroyed the murder weapon?
     
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