Florida law targeting Facebook, Twitter is unconstitutional, U.S. appeals court rules

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This should not surprise anyone. DeSantis government overreach was a violation of 1st amendment. Its weird the people who are the most blatant violators of the 1st Amendment say they do so to..........protect it.

    Florida law targeting Facebook, Twitter is unconstitutional, U.S. appeals court rules
    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article261719367.html
    Dealing a major setback to Gov. Ron DeSantis, a three-judge appellate panel on Monday ruled that a 2021 Florida law targeting social-media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter unconstitutionally restricts the companies’ First Amendment rights.

    Monday’s decision by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld most of a preliminary injunction imposed in June by U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle.

    “Put simply, with minor exceptions, the government can’t tell a private person or entity what to say or how to say it,” appellate Judge Kevin Newsom wrote in a 67-page unanimous opinion joined by Judges Gerald Tjoflat and Ed Carnes.
     
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    Fascists are gonna fascist.

    I wonder how the Disney thing is going to work out for them?
     
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    Florida law targeting Facebook, Twitter is unconstitutional, U.S. appeals court rules

    I agree with that decision. The constitution, including its amendments applies to government, not the private sector. I think those that don't like Facebook and Twitter should do what I do and that is not to use them.
     
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    Yeah, this was a bad law. Social media regulations like this are an area I disagree with a lot of my colleagues on the right, I come from more of the free speech absolutist wing of things.

    They own the servers, ergo they decide what goes on them.

    If we have a problem with that we can create a new company with servers we own, like Gab, or purchase an existing platform like Musk is apparently doing with Twitter.

    My ideal forum is one where only direct, imminent threats to life are moderated, but that doesn't give me a right to force this on others, just as some would prefer a forum that heavily censors even benign speech, but that doesn't give them a right to force it on Twitter.

    Perfectly happy to call out my own when I disagree (Y)
     
  5. Darthcervantes

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    that’s super easy to say when social media always leans to one side
    Very convenient if that happens to be your side!
    I also agree with the ruling but let’s not pretend that social media isn’t an extremely biased tool used by the left for power while silencing and banning ONE side
    I know it isn’t illegal but it stinks like crap!
     
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    Good. It was clearly unconstitutional.
     
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    But yet the government can supposedly mandate to private employers an ultimatum that they forced their employees to receive the vaccine.... Or here's where the ultimatum comes in... Impose an onorous financial burden on the employer that they must test their employees once a week
     
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    Since you can obviously see the vaccine mandate was wrong how can you not see the Republican attacks on business are also wrong?
     
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    No, let’s not pretend, because it just ain’t so.
    And let’s not pretend that right wing SOP isn’t to lie and lie and lie and keep repeating lies faster than the truth can debunk all the faithful followers who repeat and defend their lies.

    The Big Lie about election fraud. There are even GOP candidates running, TODAY, repeating that lie. QED
     
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    I wish democrats and republicans would stop trying to control what everyone thinks and says. The left was all in a huff about Elon musk buying twitter because he wanted to do away with restrictions of what was said, and now the right doing this.

    stop trying to control people.
     
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    Reality leans to one side, or rather, reality appears to lean to one side when you're leaning and don't realize it.
     
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    Well, you know, sometimes words and ideas can have terrible consequences. People ransacked the Capitol over two months of Trump and his friends lying about the 2020 election.
     
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    It serves a function. He gets to play the "hero" (look, I'm trying to protect your "Freedom of Speech" people) and the "martyr" (look, the evil <insert any target of choice> is being mean to me. You should see that as an affront to your rights!) and the crowd goes wild.

    Straight from the Orange Stain playbook.
     
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    that is fake news for the most part, but yes, biased moderators do exist on those sites, both left and right

    bet Trump Social has many, what you think?
     
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    Apparently that did not fly.

    Did you know that "whataboutism" is an old Soviet debating tactic?
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Punish the deed, not the words. Giving the government power to censor will have far greater consequences.
     
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    How is this Flofrida law different from the Fairness Doctrine? Which theSCOTUS found Constitutional.

    (emphasis mine)


    Corporate speech is regulated in other ways too. You see it every time you view a drug commercial. You wouldn't hear all about deleterious side effects of the drug if not for government regulation.
     
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    of course not. That's because the court struck his would be dictator move down as the unconstitutional power grab it was
     
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    Good for you for condemning DeSantis

    There is hope yet!
     
  20. FatBack

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    Oh look at you! Thinking that you are clever.

    DeSantis did not attempt to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccination or in lieu of that.... Force employers to test un vaccinated employees once a week.

    Trying to make it so expensive for the employers that they would force the employees to take a vaccine.

    Well fortunately the courts struck the would-be dictator Biden down.
     
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    I thought we were talking about Twitter, not the government.

    As for being absolutist about free speech, no, I have to disagree. Yelling "fire" in a crowded theater should be wrong, and glorifying and inciting violence should be wrong because it's the victims of these actions who pay, often with their lives. No punishment of perpetrators will bring them back to life.
     
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    That’s not what you said, you said
    “the court struck his would be dictator move down”

    I apologize for believing that you were actually staying on topic or condemning your team for an unconstitutional action to attack the free speech of others that he disagrees with by governmental force.

    I should have known better.
     
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    I apologize to you

    Evidently I gave you too much credit for being able to read a conversation and follow along with what it was about before you inserted yourself into it.

    But I'm glad you're such a stickler for staying exactly on the specific topic I'll be sure to remind you of this in the future when you always stay on topic....
    Sarcasm alert for those that need it
     
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    Lol
     
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    Yelling fire in a crowded theater is not really voicing an opinion or telling people what you think. It is a simple action. Not in the same category at all. Who decides where the line is for glorifying violence? Do we shut down action movies? War documentaries? Violent video games? I definitely disagree with all of that. I am definitely a free speech absolutist. Anything less is too easy to lead to places we dont want to go. I am more than willing to have the occasional violent incident rather than being told I cant say or do what I want because someone might see it as inciting violence. Give an inch, and people WILL find a way to exploit it in ways it was never intended for.
     

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