Any bets on how long Boris will be PM in GB?

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  1. Pixie

    Pixie Well-Known Member

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    I prefer someone who takes time to consider the result of decisions and doesn't throw himself off à cliff and hopes for a soft landing.
     
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    This is rubbish of course. I am no particular fan of Starmer, but there is nothing to back your assertion up. The fact that you use the descriptor ‘hindsight’ shows you have accepted the term Boris Johnson uses, possibly because you are a fan of Boris Johnson and the evil Tories.
    A better criticism of Starmer is to examine the term ‘make Brexit work’ which everybody knows is impossible given Northern Ireland. A stupid stance.
    British politics is certainly shattered, and Britain is re establishing it’s role as the sick man of Europe. But in comparing the two leaders, Johnson and Starmer, is like comparing a sandwich made of dog faeces (Boris Johnson) with one made of healthy brown bread, cheese, tomato, and lettuce (Kier Starmer).
    Boris Johnson is convicted of law breaking in office but clings on, Starmer says if he is similarly convicted he will step down.
     
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    I am no tribal voter and I try to vote for the one I think offers the best alternative but Boris has à long history of proven lying that goes back to his schooldays.
    Above policy and politics, I expect honesty and accountability. The UK Constitution reliés on those. This does not include efforts to change laws to make political life easier. For the second time Boris is trying to change laws to protect himself and his collègues. It is a blatant misuse of power and he needs to be stopped.
    In fact his entire relationship with the law is unsustainable. Ie the NI Protocol. He simply cannot ignore the law when it is Inconvenient.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Starmer won't come up with a policy in advance, he has to wait for things to happen, then his 'sudden' policy would have averted that. He ain't known as Mr. Hindsight for nothing.
     
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    I think he is waiting for the Tories to implode.
    His policies will be relevant to the moment.
     
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    His long time call for a windfall tax on energy companies provés you wrong.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh come on. Labour have stated a billion things that they would tax, once in a blue moon, one will come up where they get lucky. A blind man on a galloping horse can see that

    So what do you do, have a windfall tax? Then are you expecting energy companies to lie on their back and share the profits?? You will just make a rod for your own back as energy prices will just keep increasing. Why not nationalise energy, so we can enjoy blackouts from strikes. Then tax payers money can fund them when they make a loss.

    If anyone thinks Starmer is PM material, they're a bad judge of character.
     
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    By inflating reality and then using it to argue à point you aren't presenting à very good case.
    A windfall tax is a one off and with billions of ponds ofcprofit every week, I doubt the companies would feel it.
    Anyway the government has already recently imposed one.
    I wouldnt complain if energy were nationalise in the UK but it wont happen under the Tories. They ate genetically allergic to state controlled industries.
    In all the last 12 years have been completely without forward planning INCLUDING what would happen post Brexit. The kneejerking and firefighting has been woeful and now the government is doing more u-turns and backtracking than putting even général directions into place. Today it is the farming industry which will be suffering from the altérations to the much flaunted announcements post Brexit about rewilding, ways to manage farms and of course attracting skilled labour.
    The 12 years of Tory control has seen à steady decline in nearly every aspect of the UK from éducation to the NHS to provision of self sufficiency in food and energy. Reseatch and science development has slowed due to loss of contact with the EU and subsequently beyond. The housing crisis hasn't been improved, social care is still abysmal and getting worse, and next year the growth of the economy will be at the bottom of the developed countries, only Russia will be worse.
    The Tories have got themselves completely mired in Brexit which has trapped the country for six years of division, confusion, antagonism with its biggest trading partner and the fallout will continue for at least another six years. The UK is in the deepest doldrums and only the Tories can be blamed for selling the lie of à wonderful shiny future which can never happen.
    You really couldn't do much worse.
     
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    Energy companies don't always make profits.
    The energy market is famously very volatile.

    If on those years when they do make profits, you take those profits away, then you have assured an environment in which their investors can only ever make a loss on their life savings.
    At which point none will invest.

    Crumbling infrastructure, a lack of expanding service provision and all that bad stuff that comes with this.



    A "one off windfall tax".
    Who are you trying to kid? Every time they make a profit the same people call for a "one off" windfall tax. Every single time.

    If they had it their way no one would be allowed to make a profit except themselves. Greedy people all.


    Taxes are levied as a percentage.
    When prices rise, so do the taxes.

    The government automatically raises taxes in line with wage rises, price rises and profit rises.
    But this is not enough for the greedy. They still want more.
    In fact, they want it all.

    Socialism tends towards slavery.
     
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    And this has to do with Boris Johnsons tenure how?
    Other than your post being devoid of any truth.
     
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    Cos you just get the same ole **** off Labourites.

    How many windfall taxes has Labour done? How many sectors has Labour renationalised? But the idiots keep whining the Tories won't windfall tax companies and renationalise utilities. Tony Blair was in power for 12 years plus, never did anything windfall taxes, never renationalised anything, but, if he gave 20% of the EU rebate back and brought PFI into schools and NHS.

    Then the fools twine about Boris. Labourites are a special kind of stupid, even more stupid then the SNP.
     
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    IMO PFI was the first and best exam0le of kicking à can down the road as far as you çan. An art improved on no end by the Tories and I suspect any future UK govt.
    And this is one of those examples of "squelchy" government. You can see the general shape of it but it has no defined form or substance. And sooner or later you have to wash off the dirt it leaves behind.
    I don't see the schisms in the UK along party lines like the 2 tribes of the US. The border between antagonists is a Weaver of all sorts of threats and doesn't tear clearly. Some even goes back to Thatcher which liés behind the north/south divisions. There is the rump of trades unions plotting the worst of all possible world, there is the "my country right or wrong"...often the dowager Tory Lady type.
    The undertoned resentment of the rich by the poor ...what did Rishi in. The Scots nats who have been waiting for their moment since 1707, and the gullible from the insightful, which covers the whole mess like a thick layer of chocolaté.
    The stressés in the UK are so varied that to fix them is very difficult. Due to being found out that BOZO has been upstairs playing in the nursery while everyone else was told to stay at home and see no one, he has been shovelling out proposals hoping no one will look at them carefully. The soundbite brigade is working overtime.
    It's all smoke and mirrors, stuff and nonsense. I outlined what IMO needs to be done for a profound squaring up of the country. The small elements of brexit that could have offered improvement will be squandered and the old slouchy dressing gown and slippers routine will reemerge. Comfort first, hard graft tomorrow.
    BTW you can't give 20%, of à rebate back. It is like giving 20% of à discount back. Makes no sensé.
     
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    There aren't enough voters who buy into your truth to defeat Boris.
    And there are enough voters who fully understand the detrimental consequences of your truth to vote for anyone, even Boris, to avoid that.

    If you want to beat the Tory's you will need to do better than endlessly spouting the same tired old nonsense that has always lost to them.


    Try this approach instead.
    Lower tax on fuel. Get the government to stop it's current tax windfall on fuel and the cost of living will be less.

    Then you will be in a better position to challenge the Tory's.
     
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    What conséquences of my truth?
    I havent written any truth about Boris.
    I have written about the 12 yearsf Tory government.
    Boris has only been PM for two of those.
    You have no idea whether lowering the tax on fuel will be more or less financialy beneficial than a windfall tax because you dont know how much each of them will be worth.
    Boris' tenure doesn't rest on such particular things anyway. His tenure rests on his relationship with the electorate. Which is not going to recover from the level of disaster.
    Frankly I don't care which side of the House is addressed at PMQ's. As long as s/he is intelligent, serious about the job and morally upright.
     
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    OMG. " Morally upright".
    Doesn't really go with the job in my opinion. A bit Catch 22.
    Anyone who wants to be a politician shouldn't be allowed to be.

    I (and anyone else who buys fuel), will be able to tell exactly how much any reduction in fuel tax will be worth to me.


    Boris's relationship with the public is excellent. As is his relationship with his party.
    He has the same problem he has always had. The other Tory MP's. They don't like him.

    When a Tory goes, it's not usually Joe Public who gets them. It's another Tory.
     
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    Enough of this contradictory nonsense.
    Consider yourself ignored.
     
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    Don't hope ...

    the most uncombed British Prime Minister ever will stay in the office for a long time.
    No one wants that seat now, come on!

    To deal with post Brexit problem with Northern Ireland and Eire?
    To deal with the war in Ukraine [after that The Incredible Boris has made important promises to Ukraine]?
    To deal with the incoming economical global crisis?

    NOPE!
    They will leave him in the office.
    As soon as things will go better ... they will politically skin him alive!
     
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    Boris is hitting them out of the park this week.
    Two massive crowd pleasers.

    Deportations to Rwanda and the NI Protocol being addressed.

    With policies like that he can reasonably expect another landslide.
    With those who argue against them only gaining him more votes. As long as his rivals for office oppose him on those issues, he will get another landslide.

    This is the exact ground he wishes to fight the next election on.
     
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    Labour is about as bad. They certainly are a party of competing and conflicting factions. The Liberal Democrats may be the party of tomorrow if they play their cards well.
     
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    The Labour Party has at least got some kind of founding principle against which they can be assessed.
    They are nowhere near as bad as the Tories even if they struggle to agree internally.
    The Liberal Democrats are lying opportunists who are just hungry.
    Swindon said she stands before us as the next Prime Minister. Delusional and she promptly lost her seat.
    They may all be terrible, but the Tories are both terrible and evil.
    The coming season of strikes is going to be interesting. The RMT is not affiliated to Labour, nor do they donate money, and even public barristers who are not know for looney leftism are taking action.
     
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    Those lying opportunist seem to be gaining traction
     
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    Yes indeed judging only by the by-election last Thursday.
    If evil Tories can garner votes, then lying opportunists can too.
     
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    Labour has become the London Party. Their inability to stop their own slow demise seems to be a systemic problem.
     
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    Labour has elected MP’s from all over the UK.
    Not saying they’re any good, especially with that stupid ‘make Brexit work’ slogan.
     
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