Trump's trial will be the first crowdsourced trial in our history.

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's already taking shape. Several posters (@Lee Atwater and @Patricio Da Silva) have provided links to documents by legal scholars about how the DoJ can obtain a conviction against Trump.

    Even now, after just three congressional hearings, we are already seeing very compelling cases being made based just on the testimonies we have seen thus far. And there is quite a bit more to come. I predict that, by the time Trump is put on trial, there won't be a single legal mind in this country who will not have submitted a path to conviction. The DoJ greatest challenge will be to choose between those paths. But once it is known what that path is, they will again have the assistance of every single legal mind this country can produce.

    Trump loyalists' only hope is that they manage to get a judge who is member of "The Cult". But even many judges appointed by Trump have shown that they are not willing to go that far.
     
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    Did Trump intend to do it?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes!!!! 100%. Are you not following the hearings? That has been established.

    The question now is if he could be charged in relation to instigating the attempted murder of Mike Pence.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    You have no proof Trump intended to do anything..
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    "Proof"? I don't know about that. But there was plenty of evidence in the hearings.
     
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    Writ large.
     
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    There's sufficient evidence to persuade a jury, in my opinion. That's all that matters.

    You don't always need a defendant's admission, which is almost never the case anyway, to prove intent.

    You need an 'abundance of evidence' that proves to a degree more likely than not, he had intent.

    A little bit of evidence wouldn't do it, but an abundance of it, would.
     
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    It depends on the how you’re utilizing the words that bookend ‘Trump’ in your remark.

    I don’t anticipate the DOJ will go after him but rather player’s like Eastman, Clark, Bannon, etc. and others that sought pardons (consciousness of guilt).

    I’d prefer they go RICO and capture the entire apparatus because I agree with Luttig. That part of the Republican Party is a “clear and present danger to the United States”.
     
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    Nope.. they will have to prove “intent” if it goes to court. The clear and present danger to the US is this illegal and illegitimate committee that only has power to investigate legislative issues, like why the security was so lack…. and not overstepping their authority and search for criminal stuff which the job of the executive branch.
     
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    Of course! That's what these hearings are for. All the other elements to convict were already known a long time ago. The hearings have proven intent beyond a shadow of a doubt.
     
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    What you are calling "proven" would never be allowed in any court of law.
     
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    You keep drumming this stuff up like it’s going to end in some grand finale for you people. I’m telling you right now, nothing is coming from any of this nonsense. Go ahead and mentally prepare for that. It’ll save you some stress.
     
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    After the midterms the only thing those with TDS will be doing is a repeat of this.

     
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    That is what is shining through
     
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    Ironic you'd mention "cult" while jabbering about so "crowd sourced" trial. Still haven't heard of an indictable offense from the Committee; just lame spinning, desperate grasps for facts and pompous blather - red meat for the true cult in American politics - the loony left.
     
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    LoL... a jury of Democrats? Yes. A jury of independents? No. If jury selection is the ONLY metric that matters, then you know you have a political witch hunt.

    Most Americans are wondering what the hell the Democrats are doing. Millions of lives ruined in the past two years and thousands more ruined every day and this is what our dear leaders care about? I suppose witch hunts are more helpful to the American people than the government continuing to pour gas on the economic fire. An independent study (endorsed by the New York Times) has found that there were 175,000 excess deaths in the 20-40 age bracket due to lockdown. Sweden which had no lockdown actually saw below average excess deaths in that age bracket AND had a lower Covid death rate. The Democrat lock downers are monsters.When Republicans take office next year, there should be prison sentences handed out.

    The receipts are here.
     
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    Who the hell is "you people"? You mean those of us who prefer that voters, and not the sitting President, select who governs us? Speak up if you think it should be the sitting President who decides whether he stays in power or not! Don't hide!
     
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    You won't hear one from the committee. They come from Trump's attorneys, his hand-picked AG, his staff and his family.

    But how would you have "heard" them... you're not even watching the hearings.
     
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    :roflol:

    It truly is a shame that you believe what the liberal media has injected into your brain. May you find the power you need to escape the damage they have inflicted upon you. I pray for you, friend.
     
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    Really? Trump's own words would not be allowed? Even if corroborated by others?

    There's likely a lot of dialog between Trump and various involved "aides" that we've yet to hear, but didn't he tweet something about how Pence deserved it?

    Then there's the election fraud case in GA due to that infamous phone call asking for 11,780 votes. And now there's the super fraud case emerging about his Election Defense Fund, to which his more ardent supporters sent money, and which never existed. That's $250 million that he grifted from his own followers, and they're finding much of it went to his businesses, and his family members.

    I hope you didn't give him money.
     
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    was he advised not too and did it anyways
     
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    I’m very doubtful about this. There is so far some moderate circumstantial evidence, some bad stuff from Trump’s mouth, and some rather damning testimony but I very much doubt there’s enough in what has been revealed so far to get any kind of conviction. To go after an ex-president I suspect there would have to be an overwhelmingly strong case to overcome political reticence in the DoJ, and a lot will depend on how much more the committee has, and whether they can unambiguously demonstrate Trump’s intent. So I wouldn’t get too excited yet.
     
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    if it was anyone other then a President, or member of Congress, they would be charged imo
     
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    While I think Trump deserves to spend the rest of his life in an orange jumpsuit, I agree with you ... we'll never see it. Someone or something always helps this con man slither out of jam after jam that he gets himself into.
     
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    I missed the part where Trump's lawyers were allowed to put on a defense as is done in any fair trial.
     

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