Russia is winning the economic war - and Putin is no closer to withdrawing troops

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  1. Bill Carson

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    Nobody is interested in your childish challenges. I'm not making a trip to Moscow/spending 3 grand to educate an internet warrior. Maybe you ought to first go to Russia and learn the propaganda you've been fed isn't exactly what it seems. I love all these Russia experts that have never got off their lazy asses and actually visited the country. Pure genius. :blahblah::laughing:
     
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    What I have learned is that Russia has state controlled mass media. Rarely is there truth allowed in their reporting. I would be happy to visit Russia with you to prove you wrong. I have personally known people who have visited Russia with strange experiences with mass surveillance and no freedom of speech. Otherwise, the Russian populace are decent people, just never encountered freedoms like other countries have gotten to enjoy
     
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    Given the report of Russia's default on one of its debts, we can reasonably expect that other defaults may follow. This will, in turn, make it less likely that other nations/individuals will take on new Russian debt, Some may, of course, but their intent may well be predatory.

    It will be interesting to watch this play out in time.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
  5. Bill Carson

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    Oh, so you want to go with me to Russia? Whenever you're ready, just let me know.

    Strange experiences huh? Yeah, sure.

    On the other hand, you could visit your man in Kyiv.....in the country that banned all media except for the one channel Zelensky is part owner of....and banned the language most of the population speaks....and banned all political opposition parties.

    Sweet democratic state you are supporting :above::above::above::above:

    As for your 'free speech' propaganda....you should check out the lefty rag Moscow Times. Here's something I just pulled up:

    "Vladimir Putin and his cronies have stolen billions that rightly belonged to the Russian people."

    According to you, they should all be arrested. Right?

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion
     
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    I am not a fan of the Ukrainian government no more than Putins Russia. Regardless, being you constantly mock western countries freedoms, I would gladly challenge you to a test of Russia's freedoms, which you so greatly praise being superior, against American freedoms any day of the week. And, I will gladly pay for my own plane ticket over there to prove you wrong. Then, we can have a beer and laugh about it.

    I am not against Russia, for I am against Putin and his invasion of a sovereign nation under false pretenses and lies.
     
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    Get your visa.

    As for your "false pretenses and lies". Exactly what are they? Are you saying ethnic Russians in the Donbass weren't being killed by the Ukraine government? Really?
     
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    This was never about saving Russians. Putin let his intentions out of the bag recently when he compared himself to Peter the Great and the notion of conquering land.

    There is nothing righteous about what Putin is doing.
     
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    Says people that turn a blind eye to ongoing ethnic cleansing for 8 years. How righteous.
     
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    If Ukraine wants to ethnic cleanse it's populace, while wrong...that's Ukraine. Just as China is cleansing it's self of the Uyghurs. It's not an excuse to roll into another sovereign nation and ****ing CONQUER it. That's just ridiculous.
     
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    I have a Visa and recently came back from Europe. I look forward to playing Russia someday with my band as well as Ukraine.

    I never said that anything in any thread on this forum about Donbass. Only about Russia invading a country. But, now that you mention it, the conflict in Donbass was two sided, not one sided like Russian propaganda promotes.

    Are you saying innocent Russian civilians are not being imprisoned for expressing opposing political beliefs? Really?
     
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  12. Bill Carson

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    The US has used that excuse over and over....even when it's bullshit to begin with. Seems to me you have quite a hypocritical predicament on your hands. :laughing:
     
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    Name them. And spare me the Navalny bullshit.

    I can name off a whole slew of people still sitting in jail without ANY due process from the January 6th protests. Were they not expressing a political belief?

    What about Snowden? Assange?

    One January 6th protestor was smart enough to seek asylum in Belarus of all places. I'd rather be in Minsk than be held in a federal prison without any due process rights what-so-ever. Something something about a Constitution....we supposedly have.
     
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    And that brings us back to the beginning again. Which country has the United States Conquered where they are now under rule of law by the American President?

    Can't say Iraq. And you can't say Afghanistan. Can't say Vietnam...which country?

    Seems to me that the United States leaves with the country's government having control of the land they had when the United States invaded.

    Do you think that Putin is going to give up control of the regions he's captured in the Ukraine? LOL. Do you even know Putin? He's peter the great...didn't you know that?

    And what was peter the great known for?


    Peter The Great Biography - Childhood, Life Achievements & Timeline
    Peter the Great was a Russian Tsar in the late 17th century who later on became the first Emperor of Russia. A very powerful ruler, he was famous for engaging in numerous military campaigns in order to expand his Tsardom into a large empire.

    Putin is in to conquer. That's his self admitted goal.
     
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    Since I have nothing better to do, let me educate you. It's not a rebel flag, it's the flag of Novorossiya which is an area that became Russian when freed from the Ottomans. The flag contains the Cross of Saint Andrew which represents the Orthodox Patriarchate at Constantinople.

    Saint Andrew's Cross is also on the flag of Scotland, which is why the Southern States adopted it. This also means there's some kind of historical connection between Scotland and Constantinople, or they wouldn't have been using the Cross of Saint Andrew.

    Anyway because of Scotland, Saint Andrew's Cross was incorporated into the British flag together with the Cross of Saint George - which is a red Cross on a white background, and was originally the flag of the Republic of Genoa. They did allow the British to use it during the Crusades as protection from the Turks - for payment of course.

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    Says someone who supports an ongoing genocidal war. How righteous indeed.
     
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    No, people who attempt insurrection are not expressing a political belief.
     
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    You should be gobbling up the January 6 comedy hearings right now. There are dozens of people watching. Big stuff for lefties.
     
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    I'm listening to the hearings, as it happens. I imagine you are not, though. Wouldn't want facts getting in the way of your silly views, would you?
     
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    A better question would be, which nation went against US interests and hasn't been destroyed?


    But with a new leader subservient to Washington's interests rather than the interests of its own people. So tell me, when we invaded and illegally bombed and killed thousands of Serbians, Iraqis, Libyans and Syrians, how many Americans were we saving from genocide?

    Why would he do that to the people living there? He's not a monster. They've been waiting for Russia to come and free them since 2014.
    For building a window on the West. A big mistake which Putin is now ratifying by looking Eastwards.

    Yeah I know, it's Putin's self admitted goal. He also wants the Soviet Union back, that's why he's fighting its successor the World Economic Forum with its Great Reset and New World Order as well as the resurging 'Nazis' Both evil in their own respect.

    Their Motto: You will own nothing and will be happy. Kind of reminds you of this doesn't it?


     
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    The West, including the US, has state media. Technically the media is owned by corporations, but the reality is that the US media serves the wishes of the state. Wake up and smell the napalm sir.

    When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.
     
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    Yes, we saw that strongly with Trump

    /sarcasm
     
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    Rofl it says right in your link the very site is under attack from Russian officials. It's not even In Russian, so they are safe from Putin to critisise him.
     
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    So your literally admitting that all the information currently broadcast by Russia is misinformation. And that if or when all Americans believe this misinformation Russia's 'mission' will be complete?

    Well if nothing else the honesty is refreshing. Thanks for admitting the truth (for once).
     

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