This is how the anti gun Left "thinks'

How big of a tin can are you talking about? A 15 ounce bean can or a 20 gallon garbage can?

 

Nonsense to you too - I am an Aussie and it has made a measurable difference in homicide rates. There is good correlative research from the USA on this as well

From the party that just took away rights from women

Hate to tell you my friend but the NRA is not always right and here, surprisingly, our kids do not have to do “active shooter” drills

And none of this twaddle is supported by one iota of research or link to a valid site - high in fearmongering low in actual facts

 

Facts and reality are highly inconvenient to the left, but no. They are not nonsense.

That is incorrect. It did not change homicide rates at all. Australia gave up their freedom for no reason.

The only crime rates that changed were the armed and unarmed robbery rates, which doubled for years as the loss of freedom in Australia kicked off a massive years-long crime spree.

No there isn't.

Actually they are. You can't point out anything untrue that they've said.

Australia's loss of freedom had nothing to do with that.

Things would be exactly the same in Australia right now if they had not abolished freedom.

That is incorrect. Everything that I say is backed up by facts.

Here you go:
https://hwfo.substack.com/p/everybodys-lying-about-the-link-between

 

A blog

An poorly referenced blog at that full of cherry picking and plain falsehoods.

 

That is incorrect. He cites all his data.

That is incorrect. There is no cherry picking.

It's only the gun control people who try to engage in cherry picking.

That is incorrect. Everything that he says is true.

That's why no one can point out any falsehoods in what he says.

I take it that you are conceding that Australia did not actually alter their homicide rates when they abolished freedom, but they did kick off a devastating years-long crime spree??

 

Poorly referenced as it is only a small number of the papers on this subject - if you want me to do a critical analysis - fine - I will but not today as I have a life. I also doubt it will change your mind as you seem to have a closed opinion on this

Meantime here is a list of research papers supporting more guns = more firearm deaths

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
https://www.researchgate.net/public...for_a_Culture_Change_in_Attitudes_toward_Guns
Results of the 1996 firearm reform Australia

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6187769/
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/10/5/280
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704353/

firearms as the leading cause of trauma
https://tsaco.bmj.com/content/7/1/e000766
unintentional firearm deaths

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-019-0220-0

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01966-0

now do you want to do yourself a favour and google up how many mass shootings there has been in Australia since 1996

https://theconversation.com/regulat...in-australias-decline-in-mass-shootings-44770

 

I know this because Mitch thinks like you do. He will find a false equivilancy if he looks for one, and he will.

 

I don't use false equivalencies. I see no reason to believe that Mr. McConnell does either.

The filibuster will be fine if the Democrats themselves do not abolish it. And come January the Democrats will be deeply grateful that they did not abolish it.

 

All of his facts are backed up with cites.

If you want me to change my mind, you will need to provide relevant facts or sound logic.

The number of firearm homicides is irrelevant.

When you force murderers to kill people with knives instead of with guns, you do not save any lives. Murder victims are just as dead no matter what kind of weapon is used to kill them.

The relevant statistic is the number of overall homicides.

If abolishing freedom had actually saved lives, Australia would have seen a change in the trend of their overall homicide rate.

Instead, the same gradual downward trend in overall homicides that Australia already had before abolishing their freedom, continued unchanged after they abolished their freedom.

I take supposed leftist concern over suicides with a large grain of salt.

I've proposed measures to curtail suicides before, and the left tends to oppose such efforts.

That study exercises extremely poor logic.

That firearms are frequently used to inflict trauma does not make them the cause of the trauma. If criminals used other weapons to inflict their trauma, it would still be the same trauma.

Because I already know the answer.

Australia had hardly any massacres before. Australia has hardly any massacres now.

No change.

 

Anyone who buys that story, is a fool. It will only be safe if we can find a couple of republicans who refuse to vote to end the filibuster.

 

He's talking about installing a dictatorship. It's funny that these people squawk about democracy all the time but here they are bragging about how they want to steamroll it.

You don't get to make rules for yourselves we make them for you because well we want you unarmed and we're using violence as an excuse

 

The guy in the video is advocating for dictatorship. He wants a stack Court to overrule the people on a fundamental right. That would be the only reason to stack the court that's the only reason it was ever threatened in the past.

 

those two things aren't connected if I own a rifle it doesn't mean kids get massacred.

This is why you need a dictator to steal the democracy so that you can push forward these stupid ideas because they're stupid and everyone knows it.

it's never been a family value to think that a particular rifle causes mass murder.

That's insane.

The reason why these massacres happen is because no solution can be acceptable except for gun control so they're going to make sure that there's no way to stop it. Because gun control can be the only solution if in some dystopian future we do eventually repeal the Constitution I'm willing to bet you take them measures we should have taken yesterday. Then you'll pretend that it's gun control because that's what they do in Australia and Canada.

 

Pretty much all Republicans (including Mr. McConnell) will refuse to vote to end the filibuster.

 

I have to stop you there because within two words you're a straw man fallacy is wrong.

Nobody ever argues that we need. It's that we have the right we are entitled to have them.

This memeing of this gun it's just an excuse to try and get an inch so you can take a mile.

If I wanted AR-15 to take naked pictures with it and post on onlyfans I have the right to own it I don't have to justify it all I have to do is pay for it.

It doesn't cause anyone to die. You're trying to blame my pictures on only fans for murders because you don't want to blame the murderer.

You don't want to stop the murderer it's not about any kind of massacres or anything it's about the owners of the rifles that you don't like.

Your bigotry against people or your attempts to connect to them to some crime event is just bigotry. And this is why people don't go for this because it's stupid.

 

Much of your justification for your country's gun control is to try and convince yourself that you didn't give up a right for nothing.

Most people in the US know better that's why we don't have gun control here.

 

read Aesop's fable about the fox that lost its tail. when you read that, you understand the mentality of most of our foreign anti gun posters

 

I had never heard that one before. Seems pretty much spot on though as most of Aesop's fables seem to be.

I wonder if this missing component of our culture is why we're having to have these arguments that were settled in 1787

 

That would be some world class shooting for sure! Olympic Biathlon athletes, when shooting from the standing position, shoot from a distance of 50 meters at a 4.5 inch circle target. Their average hit rate is around 75%. Would you have us believe that you can shoot at a slightly smaller target at almost twice the distance as compared to the Biathlon athletes, and you would have a 100% hit rate?

The link below concerns accuracy and time between shots of biathlon shooters. The point to take from it is that world class Biathlon athletes, on average, can't score 100% at half the distance and with a larger target as claimed above.
https://biathlonanalytics.com/when-somethings-gotta-give-shooting-speed-vs-accuracy/

 

Gosh.
He made a statement he know was not true.
Color me surprised.

 

I am not interested in 'the guy in the video' I don't engage in policy debates based on anecdotal events. Once we decide that we can 'do without' another Obama nominated justice for a year, to make Mitch and the pro lifers happy, I am a lot less worried about adding one or two to make progessives happy. The games have begun in earnest, and the team that won't play those games on high moral principle, will ALWAYS lose because voters no longer punish hyper-partisanship, amorality or dirty politics at the polls or reward bipartisanship ethics or clean politics. . Its all immaterial because its easier to stop something through obstruction that to make anything happen in Washington. .

 

Even if that video is about policy making? The second they record it and make it available to view you don't pay attention any more?

What a bizarre quirk

Yeah I think you're just mad because you didn't get your way.

 

Just until they want something really really bad, that they cannot get any other way. And being as I will always urge my Democratic Congressmen not to pass any republican sponsored legislation, Republican nominees even a hearing, we should find out soon.

 

I think that every single tactic that Mitch, Donald and Kevin have been employing so that I don't get my way, should be employed twice as stubbornly my Dems, so that they don't get their way for even longer at least as long as that is what is getting rewarded by voters.

 

That only works in a dictatorship. I'm confused as to why you people want that so bad.

What by cheating in elections