Turkey lifts veto on Finland, Sweden joining NATO, clearing path for expansion

Seems like a done deal. Russia has been threatening Finland over this issue for some time, but we'll what they say now that its becoming a reality.

Turkey lifts veto on Finland, Sweden joining NATO, clearing path for expansion
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...and-sweden-hope-nato-breakthrough-2022-06-28/

MADRID/HELSINKI, June 28 (Reuters) - NATO ally Turkey lifted its veto over Finland and Sweden's bid to join the Western alliance on Tuesday after the three nations agreed to protect each other's security, ending a weeks-long drama that tested allied unity against Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

The breakthrough came after four hours of talks just before a NATO summit began in Madrid, averting an embarrassing impasse at the gathering of 30 leaders that aims to show resolve against Russia, now seen by the U.S.-led alliance as a direct security threat rather than a possible adversary.

 

Yep....I'm guessing there was a "sweetheart deal" in the back room somewhere....regardless,it's a done deal. There should be an award for Dwarfstan being NATO salesman of the year?.....Couldn't ask for better advertising?

I remain master strategist....

 

Excellent news. The encirclement of a reckless Russia continues.

 

Which resulted in what happened to Ukraine. Bring on WW3?

 

Yes. Because poor Russia.

These are sovereign nations. They can decide for themselves whether to join NATO.

 

Nope.

 

1 hr 32 min ago
NATO's Stoltenberg says alliance inviting Finland and Sweden to become members is "historic"

From CNN's Niamh Kennedy in London


From left to right background: Finnish Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Finland's President Sauli Niinisto, Sweden's Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson, and Sweden's Foreign Minister Ann Linde pose for a picture after signing a memorandum in which Turkey agrees to Finland and Sweden's membership of the defense alliance in Madrid, Spain, on June 28 (Bernat Armangue/AP)

NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg called the formal invitation from the alliance to Sweden and Finland to join the defense bloc "a historic decision."

"Today, NATO leaders took a historic decision to invite Finland and Sweden to become members of NATO. The agreement concluded last night by Turkey, Finland and Sweden paved the way for this decision," Secretary General Stoltenberg said during a press conference held as part of the NATO summit in Madrid on Wednesday.

He pinned the success of this agreement on "hard work" carried out "at many different levels" over "many weeks."

He recounted how two rounds of talks were held by senior officials in Brussels under his auspices in the advance of Monday's consequential meeting between Finnish President Sauli Niinistö, Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Turkey agreed on Tuesday to drop its objections to the Nordic nations' membership bids, removing a major hurdle to them joining NATO.

"This is a good agreement for Turkey, it is a good agreement for Finland and Sweden, and it is a good agreement for NATO," Stoltenberg said.
"I would like to thank Turkey, Finland and Sweden, for accepting my invitation to engage in negotiations to find a united way forward," he said. ​

Live updates: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-29-22/index.html

 

That’s true, but do you think provoking a nuclear armed country by encircling it which you suggested is a good idea?

 

NATO is only as strong as the US wishes it to be. If the countries of NATO wish to pay for their defense, for example, and not depend on the good graces of US military and monetary might, NATO or other military alliances can be as stupid as they want to be.

But of course, that's one reason why Finland, et. al., want to enter into NATO: So the US will pay for Finland's et. al., military defense since Finland et. al., don't want to pay for their own military defense.

 

Well...Mafiosi is welcome to attack....just remember the consequences.

Mafiosi Western Military district is 80%+ destroyed in Ukraine at the moment....and the Dwarfstan has been pilfering Belarus ammunition stores for its "operation" in Ukraine.

Belarus will be rather defenseless in any kind of op or incursion by Nato....Poland with its 100% NATO standard military could walk in and take what it wanted to.

 

Followed by a mushroom cloud.

 

Do you think that Russia threatening/invading allies of nuclear armed countries is a good idea?

Not sure how you think that Finland and Sweden joining NATO justifies the annihilation of the Planet. That's puzzling.

 

Several of Dwarfstans lines have been crossed already....weapons shipments to Ukraine, Moskva and several others sunk....16 dead generals, Konigsberg blockaded,Fin/Sweden soon to be in Nato.....either he goes rogue....or he keeps his lines getting crossed....his choice.

 

You do not seem to understand the basics of how NATO works. US will not pay for Finland, or any other nation defense (except for Estonia, who got a loan).

Everyone in Finland pays for their defense via taxes and personally by serving in the military, which is how their reserves (900 000 men) just boosted NATO ground forces by almost 30%. Norway. Sweden and Finland together will be responsible for defending Northern Europe, which means less US involvement, not more, in case of war. They also buy equipment from US.. like 60 F35 fighters + gear Finland just ordered. This is a good deal for US too, not just for them.

 

I don’t know if you’re aware, but Ukraine is just about defeated. Kaliningrad isn’t blockaded, it’s sanctioned for the moment. Finland and Sweden don’t matter if they’re in NATO, only if NATO attacks. And Russia is a nuclear armed country which is why NATO didn’t get involved in Ukraine. Talking of rogue nations, what about Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria, or was that different?

 

Ukraine just about defeated"??....how so?

Kberg...blockaded/sanctioned....along same lines....

Swe/Fin "don't matter" if they in Nato....? A month ago Dwarfstan was threatening to invade if they joined....what's changed...or wet diapers?

But Nato is involved in Ukraine....in case you missed it....Ukraine military is being Nato standardized as we speak.....

 

Look at the advances of Russia in Ukraine and the defeats in every battle Ukraine fought. The Russians wanted the East and South of Ukraine as a buffer zone, and got it. Ukraine had no chance and why they begged for arms and volunteers. That's not to say they haven't fought bravely, but had as much chance of defeating Russia as Iraq had of defeating the coalition.

Kalliningrad is sanctioned, Russia has warned it will intervene if it’s blockaded. It’s Russian territory.

Putin has never said he will invade Finland or Sweden. He warned them of consequences and those consequences are that they will now be targeted with nuclear weapons instead of remaining neutral.

NATO is not involved in the fighting in Ukraine, or have an air corridor over it. They're reduced to supplying weapons to an already defeated country and sticking their tongues out.

 

Hmm. You claim not to be Russian, but every post you make screams the opposite.

Then again, maybe you're just Stakh.

Sorry to break it to you, but Ukraine is far from stopping the fight and far indeed from defeat. They have lost good men and they are going through a lot of old Soviet-era hardware, but they have plenty more people willing and able to fight and their military is now in the process of transitioning to western hardware, which is also far superior to what they have been using.

The war doesn't end if Russia manages to seize all of Donetsk and Luhansk, and it will never succeed at taking all of Ukraine's coastline. Ukraine is gearing up with western assistance to go on the counter-offensive.

 

You don’t have to be Russian to have a realistic view of what’s happening in Eastern Europe today. Knowledge is enough. You know what will happen when this all ends and Russia gets its buffer zone. You’ll just quietly disappear and have a bout of amnesia. It’s what happens after all the media hype.

I think you’ve been listening to the mass media a bit too much. From Snake Island to Mariupol and Kherson to Severodonetsk, every time the Ukraine army and Neo-Nazi militias fought they were defeated. Or in media speak, they finished their combat duties (defeated) and became evacuees (surrendered). It’s barely news anymore. It’s all over bar the shouting. You make me laugh, in a nice way of course.

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What about advances in the South and East?....Ukraine mitary knocking at the door at Kherson...and I'm hearing some Russki units have pulled back to the edge of the city.....Severdonetsk ...the Russkis expended needless resources for a pyhrric "victory"?

Seems like Dwarfstan is scraping barrels to find generals...some 300 lb fat slob that 70 yrs was dragged outta retirement to replace chronic alcoholic Dvornikov?

Konigsbeg ...IS...sanctioned...through EU, what will Dwarfstan do....invade Lithuania?...Actually some Russki senator...Vladimir Dzhabarov...stated yesterday....on an interview with Vmeste-RF TV channel....openly called for military action against Lithuania for what he calls a "blockade".....and a military strike on Finland for joining NATO....now being a Senator I would guess his rhetoric carries some weight considering he's a lawmaker and possibly has access to classified data. Not like wing nut talk show hosts like that Skabeeva and Solovyov who just blow $hit out their asses.

Funny the Dwarfstan boyox midget steals grain from Ukraine terminals and attempts to blockade Black Sea shipping lanes....but busts hemmoroids for Kberg getting sanctioned....rather hypocritical there ....but we're dealing with uncivilized mafiosi zhradniks.....these sanctions hopefully bury these clowns soon enough.

 

What's your realistic view....RT...Sputnik?

You know why there was numerous ammo warehouses blown up in Donetsk....sure by Ukrainian artillery....it's because locals were giving co ordinances to Ukraines military for their destruction.....so much for being "pro russian".........

Ohh...BTW....did Ukraine really bomb DPR for 8 yrs?....who knew....LOL.

 

Not every time, Hector. Putler foolishly tried for Kyiv and failed spectacularly. He sent hundreds of tanks and aircraft in to be demolished, any many thousands of unprepared soldiers with dress uniforms to be fragged and roasted. Now we're at a point where he has surged men and equipment into a sliver of Ukraine's territory, a much more manageable task for his second-rate joke of a military and the poor untrained, under-equipped cannon fodder from the captured territories. Until Ukraine has the hardware to counter all of that concentrated Russian artillery, they're going to be in strategic withdrawal and attrition mode.

 

Russian forces reached Kyiv in two days from north and south. Destroyed the bulk of the Ukraine army and then moved south east into the Donbass. The west of Ukraine is predominantly pro-western, it’s the south and east he wants. I wouldn’t call all the defeats by Ukraine forces by unprepared soldiers. The Ukraine forces aren’t in “strategic withdrawal” mode and what’s left of them aren’t “evacuees”, they’re being defeated. The west can give all the military equipment and volunteers it wants to Ukraine, it doesn’t matter, they’ve already lost.

 

And you call yourself a realist.

 

Yes. And I also explain which many can't.