Should Trump go to Prison?

All Gore wanted was a recount, which he didn't get. Trump got his recounts (which, for the billionth time, I supported), still failed, and went far, far further. I, once again, encourage you to actually read the Eastman memo.

Hell, Trump tried to overthrow states IN WHICH HE DIDN'T EVEN REQUEST A RECOUNT.

Gore's recount request was based on evidence of physical issues with the ballots. And the incomplete recount proved that he had a point, shrinking Bush's lead from just over 2,000 to just over 500. The states Trump lost were by bigger margins, and he had no evidence of the fraud he was claiming.

Gore, for all of his faults "gave up" earlier because he had exhausted his legal options. Trump decided to keep going even after his legal options had been exhausted, wiping his ass with the law and the Constitution in the process.

Gore didn't try to send fake electors. That was Trump and his cronies.
Gore never pressured the DOJ to help him overthrow the election. That was Trump and his cronies.
Gore never pressured state officials to violate the laws of their states and change the results. That was Trump and his cronies.
Gore never enlisted an army of lawmakers to reject the states' votes. That was Trump and his cronies.
Gore never tried to get entire states' EC votes removed. That was Trump and his cronies.
Gore never tried to forego the EC entirely and go to a House vote instead. That was Trump and his cronies.

No one even vaguely informed, honest, and having two braincells to rub together can say they were the same.

 

Not very reasonable, Rob. And very poorly informed. Yardmeat just put you on a rotisserie and roasted you.

 

All you're doing is repeating defensive Trumpist RINO lies. Republicans voted to impeach and convict him. Republicans, including McConnell, have said that Trump's wrong-doing is a matter for DOJ to handle. Republicans are on this committee and support its work.

 

But it's exactly the same principle, both suspected there was something wrong with the vote, both advocated an investigation that might give them the presidency, Trump just persisted long after Gore gave up because the result was less clear, Trump never did anything you list above to "steal" the election, just a desperate attempt to find the victory he was convinced was there when it wasn't.

No one even vaguely having ONE braincell could think they weren't fundamentally the same.

 

Not very logical Nemesis, you are obviously very poorly informed and I just sent you squealing to mummy, didn't I?

 

A TINY minority of Republicans who have split with Trump, the vast majority support him and call the Jan 6th hearings out for what they are, a sham to try to draw the public's attention away from the mess they've made of the country. If the Republicans wanted to impeach and convict Trump then why didn't they? Why did they vote not to? The DOJ aren't handling anything because there is no case to answer, just political grandstanding.

 

No, it is not remotely the same principle. Asking for a recount is fine. It has happened in many past elections. Gore did not invent it. Trump went further than that and further than ANYONE else has gone. I provided details for you to read. You should consider reading them.

Yes, Trump did EVERYTHING in the list I provided to steal the election. The only thing in takes to acknowledge that is some honesty and some willingness to learn the facts.

People capable of honesty and rational thought can see the difference between asking for a recount and trying to circumvent the vote counts and the EC ENTIRELY. How is it possible that anyone is willingly ignorant enough to understand that difference?

If you can't understand the difference between:

A) Can you count again and make sure this is right? I'll go with the count, though

and

B) **** WHAT THE COUNT IS AND MAKE ME PRESIDENT ANYWAY

Then you need serious help.

You seem to forget that Gore was VP at the time. How did you not know that? If Gore was really the same, he would have appointed himself the president. That's what Trump wanted Pence to do for him. Would you have been okay with that? I don't expect a response. You have proven you are unwilling to think about this topic critically.

 

Uh, no. I really got a chuckle out of your cartoonish post.

Superman doesn't fear Peewee Herman, my friend.

 

The sad answer is that, as a party, the GOP is largely fine with installing unelected autocrats. I HOPE that changes with the primaries. But hope is getting harder to hold onto.

 

To a luxurious prison, with teasing hostesses ...
[to say the least!].

I keep on thinking that Trump is similar to Berlusconi. He has challenged a system of power and that system of power is using all the "tools" to disintegrate him. Also Berlusconi has been condemned by an Italian tribunal because of not so persuading reasons [he has spent a year to help elders, this was his punishment].

Then laws are laws. But I guess that Trump would prefer to be condemned to help young fashion models instead of elders ...

 

Depends how much kryptonite he's wielding, doesn't it my gibbering to himself, buddy? More of a Punisher man myself.

 

No, it's exactly the same, you really need serious help if you can't appreciate this, both tried to find a legal manner to question the result and get themselves elected, neither did anything improper. Gore wouldn't have just appointed himself president and neither would Trump, why on EARTH would you think that? Trump didn't want Pence to do that for him, just delay things whilst he explored legal alternatives.

You have proven you suffer from TDS, your Stalinesque determination to imprison your political opponents proves you are unable to think rationally.

 

Really? Why would you think that?

 

Wouldn't we all? Beautiful young women need attention too, ask Bill Clinton.

 

Untrue. Gore tried seeking legal remedies and relented when those remedies were exhausted. Trump continued, pursuing options outside the law and the Constitution. If Gore had exercised the powers that Trump said the VP had, then he would have been able to just appoint himself as President. It's becoming more and more obvious that you are unwilling to even look at what Trump tried to do.

Acknowledging reality is not TDS and it isn't "Stalinesque." And nothing I've said has anything to do with imprisoning anyone.

You'd know all of this if you would just as so much as read the Eastman memo. But you won't. And that's the true TDS: Ignore reality when it offends worship of the Dear Leader. And that is the true "Stalinesque" approach. There is no truth in that mindset, in the Trumpist mindset. There is only Trump worship and the sin of acknowledging any reality that offends such worship.

 

Don't mention Bill to an Italian ...
Monica is a kind of proverbial employer under the desk [and we can imagine what she was doing under the President's desk ...].

But since is a political forum, probably I should remind that I've been a supporter of Trump since the beginning!
When he announced he was going to run for the Republican Primary Elections ... here, on this forum, I was among the 2 or 3 posters sure that he was going to win the RPE and then the Presidency.

He had numbers and he has got numbers.
If politically oriented judges won't stop him, I'm sure [again!] that he will win.
Who wouldn't win against old trembling Biden? Come on!

 

Because they continue to support Trump even after he tried to have himself installed as an unelected autocrat. Catch up. This **** ain't exactly complicated.

 

Trump. He lost. Remember?

 

It's as if they never have a clue about what is going on.

As if...

 

I mean now ... Biden won because no one had noted yet that he's old and trembling ...
[This was trembling satire ].

But now the problem is different: Biden is our Commander in Chief [Italy is a member of NATO, you know], so in this context I'm not going to go beyond the limit of the mere criticism. We are facing a little problem in Eastern Europe and to have a weak President at the White House would be a problem, not an asset.

So, imagining that the mid term elections could weaken him, I wonder if the GOP wants to go against Russia.
If not, there will be a problem.

 

Ha ha!!!

I just watched an interview with Alberto Gonzales, who served as the Attorney General under GW. He has always been very reserved regarding any potential criminal activity on trump's part. Gonzales would never say trump crossed the line. But today his story has changed. He sees potential criminal liability for trump on a number of serious counts, including seditious conspiracy.

 

But it wouldn't have been possible, both tried legal remedies, both failed, Gore just gave up sooner. Reality is there is no difference between the 2. I did read the Eastman memo and I don't know what you see in it I don't. I don't worship Trump, O actually think he's an idiot but why are you so determined to find any excuse to put him in prison? That is Stalinesque.

But that never happened, he just legally challenged the result. Catch up would you, this **** isn't complicated, you hypothesis is simply mistaken.

We'll see, "potential" liability. I'm always cynical on TV experts, they say stuff like this it goes viral and gets headlines, take that Hutchinson girl for instance.

 

No. Gore tried legal remedies. Trump tried to have himself installed as an unelected autocrat. If you don't worship him, then you still sure as **** don't care about the Constitution or the law. And, no, you haven't read the Eastman memo, seeing as you didn't even know about the basics.

 

Here are the facts:

Trump knew the crowd was armed and tried to coerce security to let them in.
He called for the crowd to go to the Capitol and be strong.
He insisted on being taken to the Capitol and got very angry when he was refused.
He was calling the ongoing count illegitimate

Trump wanted to storm the Capitol with his private army and take over by force. And he damn near pulled it off. The Secret Service Driver who refused to take trump to the Capitol may be the biggest hero of all. He may have literally saved the US from a coup.

The SS driver is essentially confirming Hutchinson's story.

Many of us have known since almost day 1 that it would end this way with trump. This is precisely what we have all seen all along. Trump is a monster. He would be a brutal despot if allowed and the blood would be running in the streets. I cannot imagine anything more Anti-American than supporting this thug.

 

Well, in his defense, he was consistent in that. The stable genius said aloud that cases of COVID are up because testing is up so we should stop testing. It's the same idea. He wanted to stop the counts in counties he was winning.

How anybody can reconcile his idiocy with reality is beyond my ability to understand. /smdh