New poll: Majority of Americans oppose Supreme Court ruling on abortion

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  1. FatBack

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    So you must believe in the right to lawful self-defense up to and including the use of deadly force to defend your own life.
     
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    Like the "privilege" of having a job?
     
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    Oh, now I know what's what.

    I live in a high COVID area and have several comorbid disorders already. Had I listened to your ilk I'd be dead but then you think I should be since your method of fighting a deadly disease is to let everyone vulnerable to it die while you dither and blame immigrants,Chinese or Muslims
     
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    Hyperbole
     
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    States decide that as well. A rapists baby is still an innocent human life. However some states will decide that this innocent human life can be killed because of the trauma the mother went through. Others will say all life is protected. Making a law ruling over all 50 states based on a percentage of abortion cases that is well under 1 percent is not smart. Your argument actually justifies this question to be decided by the states themselves...it is an ethics and moral question.
     
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    It's especially apt that you show Republicans doing this. It's been years since dogs chased my car since most people have stopped letting their Hellhound out to eat the neighbor's children but this sort of bad behavior is so very typical of Republicans in my experience
     
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    I'm pro choice, but public opinion should have no bearing on SCOTUS decisions.
     
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  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    And right and wrong are determined by what state you're in, as all the several State slaveholders we still have are sure to agree.
     
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    Fact. But then I guess all the dead friends I no longer have were just actors
     
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    I believe individuals have the right to decide what happens to their body, whether it is a vaccine, drugs, suicide, or an abortion. I also believe individuals should be as well armed as they want to be, including assault rifles.
     
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    I'm afraid a good chunk of that 40% support it out of party loyalty.

    No, its divided 28% D and 28% R. Rest are independents.

    Lot of people don't want the government involved in such things.
     
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    This is good for Democracy. The people can now vote for the right to have an abortion without it being forced on them by unelected officials. So why are Democrats so opposed to this idea?
     
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    And that is all fine and dandy except no one should be forced to pay for abortions. And let's not forget the babies are not a part of a women's body. They are separate and equal human beings at the moment of conception. A mother is just the care taker for the baby. Women can live without a baby inside her.
     
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    they are not separate when in the mother. They have a dramatic impact on a woman’s body. Once born, then they are separate.

    I’m fine with the woman having to pay for it herself. I’m not fine with it being illegal.
     
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    No i do not.
    There were nearly 500 000 gun related incidents in the USA last year including hundreds of child/ school évents.
    And just having à gun facilitates those.
    I wouldn't mind if the guns in circulation were made unworkable...because hardly anyone uses them.
    But they do.
    Abortions are of non sentient, unaware non persons who are by definition not wanted.
    Many of them live uncared for, poor, in bad environments and cost you the tax payer millions of dollars à year to try to stop the violence they may well bring to the streets.
    They were more often than not conceived by accident caused by mâle contrivance. Often they are psycological basket cases with serious identity problems.
    And those states who object to abortion divert fonds away from social and psychiatric carecand into border control or some other 9nter4st. This was the case in Texas recently.
    Texas also has capital punishment for crimes often committed by those very children who have been deprived of à decent home where they were wanted and not resented.
    ISTM what " life" you are protecting is pretty pointless. And in the end the morher has had her life utterly changed too.
    Her pursuit of happiness has been removed by religio political judges never voted for by the people whose lives ultimately rest in their judgement. They are permanent plants for purely political reasons....to win the current président influence and power.
    And women have to pay with their own liberty for this quasi corrupt system.
    ISTM the idea of liberty and the value of life is like a tortured pretzel in the USA. There are so many contradictions that they have become weak and used as a tool to play antagonistic political games.
    What à damned shame the well balanced country willing to compromise and put to one side the authoritarian finger wagging of the messengers from god has become à nest of gleeful antagonists.
     
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    Were you absent during reproduction classes? Or have you been listening to your cult leader,? You sound like you are repeating scripture as fact and as versés in à book of payer.
    The baby is an intégral part of its mother, connected by an umbilical cord through which passes her blood and nutriments.
    And à Mother can often live à shitty life having been denied an abortion.
    I suggest that is a state refuses her one it should offer her the cost of its upbringing for 18 years.
     
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    People should also gave the legal right to euthanasia too.
     
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    If having that baby causes her to have a shitty life then that is probably where she's headed regardless. Don't give me that she got raped crap, most of the time she got a little drunk and a lot stupid. When the shrapnel stops raining down maybe rational people in State governments will work out some compromise to allow for rape, incest or terrible handicaps that will put undue stress on parents raising the children. This country is nowhere near the same as when Roe was invented.
     
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    "Shitty life" no true at all .. and a nonsense argument even if it was. This is about abortion -- you claiming "well she would have had a shitty life anyway" ... is nary an excuse to be forcing someone down a path they don't want to go.

    So .. daddy got drunk .. and daughter was inebriated as well .. so .. incest all good in the hood .. and we need to force the child to carry pregnancy to term .. casue she was a little drunk.

    Just out of the ball park wonky mate.
     
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    And here we have, ladies and gentlemen, another déclaration that it was all her fault, she deserved to have her entire life changed into something she didn't want and anyway it doesn't matter because she is from somewhere that doesn't promise much anyway.
    And here I was under the impression that dinosaurs had died out.
     
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    You say à life is saved by banning abortions?
    No indeed.
    The life of the mother is instantly lost if she had wanted an abortion.
    She has lost her freedom of choice, her social position, often her entire future.
    The partner?
    Over the hills and far away as if he had nothing to do with it. No financial worries, easy denial, life is dandy after an evening's pleasure.
    Her life is changed and often depleted forever.
     
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    Whether the fetus is a life and therefore can be "murdered" is a personal one, unclear in science and subject to religious interpretation, which itself is a matter of unproven faith.
    You cannot hold a voté to decide which "side" is right. A majority cannot decide the rightness of à moral belief.
    It cannot even decide on the "rightness" of à political policy.
     
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    You said abortion didn’t exist then. How could it be a personal decision if it didn’t exist?
     
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    The allowing of àn abortion without state or federal interférence makes the decision to have one SOLELY in the hands of the individual
    Where is belongs.
    Neither state nor federal government should have any voice in it.
     
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    Or just didnt happen and you are making the claim to make something seem worse
     

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