Why China is Rising and the US is Declining

China is on the way up because they invest into the future.

The US is on the way down because they look to the past.

 

Spot on!

 

Not True. We are the most forward thinking, forward ready Country in the world.

 

I don't think the two things, points of view, are actually mutually exclusive. The over represented 35% of America is keeping (holding) the country back and to a great degree that's actually American.

 

The fact that China has government officials embedded in private companies whim are largely responsible for dictating corporate action that best benefits the country is NOT free market.

Secondly, China is and always has been playing catchup with the west because their economic policies, which were largely communist and now capitalist with state influence didn't result in much prosperity.

So it's kind of silly to point at the retained communist elements of the country as a good quality, while attributing their "success" to state sponsored capitalism.

Outside of most glitzy urban areas tourists visit, China is largely 3rd world. The overwhelming majority of their populace living in squalor. Compared to the United States, they are decades behind providing anywhere near the quality of life as the United States.

It never ceases to amaze me the length of false information people will portray as they advocate for a nanny state.

 

It should be great motivation to work like hell to get out the vote and inform voters of what's really going on in the world.

 

Well, while we are on the topic of "free market", stock market bailouts and massive decades long Corporate Subsidies are also not free market. We have unleashed a greed monster and too big to fail is a massive burden shouldered ONLY by the average taxpayer in the long run and that taxpayer has been crushed for three decades.

 

Oh great.

Another newly registered person with an inflated perception of superiority.

If you approach any discussion from the perspective that your opinions are more valid because you believe them more... you've already lost the discussion.

 

Honestly, if the American citizen does not run en mass to the voting booth given the current ****ed up GOP, Jan 6th and this current SCOTUS, really bad times are ahead.

 

Very well said!

 

I mostly agree that no company should be subsidized.

The problem is, some people play games with that word.

Reduction of taxes is NOT subsidizing. GM getting money to not fold, that was a subsidy.

 

Tax burden is not what I am referring to. Subsidy and Taxes are totally different. A subsidy is a bailout of sorts.

 

You must be one of the few left in America, apart from Peter Zeihan (who’s he?) who doesn’t think America is in deep crisis. Still, we all have our opinions and you’re entitled to your Gung Ho! one. Didn’t Trump recently promise to make America great again and Biden to build back better? I wonder what they meant? Perhaps they know something you don’t? When the next recession hits don’t forget who warned you first. Anyway, enough of the fantasies and back to the topic …

 

Having lived in China my knowledge probably is superior to yours on that topic. Don’t take it to heart, go and write a thread on why America has a better system than China, or why sanctions are need for a Chinese economy that’s said to be collapsing, instead of focusing on the poster. Perhaps some of you could get together and do a thread on me as I seem to be the favourite topic for those who haven't much to say about anything else? Come on admit it, if I didn't post these threads people like yourself would only be left to shout one liners at each other.

 

The people that constantly find fault with These United States have a vested interest in it's demise or listen to RW hate media all the time. You didn't listen to the video ... did you?

 

No, to be honest I didn’t listen to the video. I didn’t listen to those that said the US was winning in Afghanistan or that sanctions would make the Chinese economy collapse either. If you like I can find you a link that says the earth is flat?

I’m not finding fault with the US, you can see it declining around you without me having to prove it. You can also see the massive debt it’s in and socially, almost in another civil war. I simply explained why the Chinese economy took 30 years to become a major player and western economies are declining.

I’m fine with you not noticing what’s going on around you.

 

I don’t do partisan politics as previously mentioned, or buy into political beliefs. It’s an American forum so I’m hardly going to do a thread on the political situation in Botswana. Whatever is said it’s going to get some political fanatic excited and angry. That’s American politics so nothing new there.

The British Empire collapsed, so too did the USSR. Both Obama and Trump tried to warn you in their own way. Obama with his spreading the wealth around and Trump with sanctions to slow down competition. What the op tells you is how China became an economic superpower and pulled hundreds of millions out of poverty through regulated capitalism. Whether you agree with the methods used is up to you, but it did happen.

 

Actually China's debt growth is much worse than ours, and they are going to be bumping up against a shrinking tax base soon, where our tax base is stable. For as bad of shape that the dollar is in, it's still the most stable currency in the world AND the Reserve Currency of the world. Now everyone would have you believe that that's coming to an end, but no, it's not likely because no other currency is positioned better to take over if the dollar fails. Which it won't because as long as Central Banks control the money the dollar is on a level playing field with EVERYONE else and the dollar starts off ahead. But, don't watch that video.

 

Yes, you do, it's dripping of of you; as previously mentioned.

Nothing lasts forever, but These United States are the BEST positioned Government/society to prosper in the coming years. IF we don't kill each other over stupid **** like your OP.

 

Americans buy crap from China that will end up in a landfill in a few years. The Chinese buy land that will produce recurring revenue for generations.

Still, I would rather not live where government can decide to starve you to death.

 

China embrassed capitalism.

US is moving towards Communism.

 

America’s heyday was the post-war 1950s. By the 70s it should have started to decline like Europe as the industrial age ended, but Nixon did a deal with OPEC to offer protection in return for selling oil in dollars and the profit from those dollars went back to the US. It’s what funded your first-world lifestyles.

That continued until the early 2000s when Middle Eastern countries began to abandon the dollar and use gold or its own currencies. The invasions and regime changes to force OPEC countries didn’t work. Perhaps the US has another ace up its sleeve, but the US was stalemated in Syria by Russia and trump started to withdraw from Iraq and Biden from Afghanistan. That’s the contraction you’re seeing now. It’s nothing to get upset about, it happens to all empires eventually. The US debt level is an indication that the amounts flowing into the US to keep the lifestyles you’ve been accustomed to is coming to an end.

No country can be a consumer and a developing society at the same time. China too will one day become a consumer society and someone else will take its place.

 

Yeah, let's give up the pronoun wars and stop dismantling structural racism .

Before you decide who is "poised for success," read this:

For some time, my position was that China was ahead in quantum cryptography and that the U.S. was ahead in quantum computing. This has changed. The U.S. company Google announced that they hit Quantum Supremacy on their superconducting quantum computer — demonstrating that they can solve a problem on a quantum computer exponentially faster than on a classical computer. However, in a matter of days, University of Science and Technology in China announced that it had hit quantum supremacy with its all-optical quantum computer. At this point, China is now ahead of the U.S. with quantum cryptography and tied in quantum computing. I expect in five to ten years that China will be ahead of the U.S. in both categories.

https://thediplomat.com/2019/11/qua...ozi,,any means — even with a quantum computer.

 

The Chinese people don't give two hoots about human rights. The living standards have increased dramatically and that is what they care about.

 

Where do you get your information on China?