Beginning of the end for the GOP

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  1. submarinepainter

    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have heard it over and over this party or that party is done, too effing bad it wouldn't happen to both parties
     
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  2. Get A Job

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    a couple more months of $75 fill ups at the gas station and $100 a bag groceries should take the sting out of the recent SC decision. People vote their wallets first.
     
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    When it gets more difficult to feed your family people will tend to blame whoever is in office for their problems. Especially when the one in office makes promises to "build back better America". What exactly did they mean by that?
     
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    Male bovine excrement!!!

    In the near future, we will see the following headlines:

    DNC supports Abortions up until the day of birth (oops, several states already have those laws.)

    Democrats claim Bible supports abortions. (Oops, Buden and Pelosi have already made that claim.)

    Woman seeks abortion 9 months after she was raped. DNC says it is her right!!! (What, she did not know that she was raped prior to the 6th or 15th week? Why, did she wait to get an abortion?)

    DNC supports life for a convicted murder, and death of a fetus!!!
     
  5. rkhames

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    Did you ever bother to read the Roe v Wade decision? It did not give carte blanche for abortions. It gave a cut off at 23 weeks. That was derived without any scientific evidence or medial research. They fraudulently claimed that it was point when the fetus was viable. After that point, the decision stated that states could regulate abortions. The 6 and 15 weeks cutoffs were derived based on actual science. So, nothing really changed.

    I have asked on several occasions for those that make the claim that states will ban all abortions, and no one has named a single one. Why? Because no state will ban all abortions. So, all that is pure and simple hysteria!!!!
     
  6. AlpinLuke

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    That's good.
    So, substantially you're saying that the Supreme Court considers abortion not a federal matter.
    Does this mean that the SCOTUS would be against a federal law about abortion?

    In the Congress there aren't the numbers, but in theory, would the Supreme Court decide against such a law?
     
  7. Lil Mike

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    Right, the Supreme Court considers abortion a state matter, not a federal one.

    If Congress passed a Federal abortion law, that would be on much firmer ground than the previous Roe court decision was. I'm sure there would be court challenges but I can't think of what the basis of one would be off hand. That's why there is a flurry of talk by progressives for a Congressional bill on abortions. They've had 50 years and control of the Congress and White House much more than the GOP has in that time, so they could have already had this.
     
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    Listen, Dems are politicians as well, they are not holly idealists [!].
    They do know that to face the SCOTUS is not that easy ...

    Personally I can agree with this SCOTUS.
    The United States are "United States". So we are reasoning about states, not regions of provinces, but states.
    States have got a bit of sovereignty [they are states ...].

    Even in Italy regions do different things about this or that matter.
    [Italy is not a federal country, but the Constitution recognizes a bit of "freedom" to regions].

    So, in US I think that the states should decide.
     
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    Only an idiot believes that to be true. Aside from the fact that the Constitution doesn't mention a right to privacy, the intrusion by the leftists has been awesome. NSA spying on all Americans, FBI spying on a sitting President, and you're pretending there is a right to privacy.
     
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    Correct, the are smart enough to do so as opposed to those who actually swallow the Dems pointing fingers elsewhere.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    I wonder what the results would be if they had stated that his opponent supports totally unrestricted abortion including if the baby survives the mother can choose to have no efforts taken to keep the baby alive and that the mother can kill her baby up to the minute it is about to be born simply because she doesn't want it to live now. Wonder what kind of results they would get then.
     
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    "Beginning of the end for the GOP"

    I've lost count how many times I've seen such a title to a thread over the years. Yet the GOP still remains.
     
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  13. Gateman_Wen

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    Why would they tell Lies like that?
     
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    The Dem candidate supports the repeal of RvW and unrestricted abortion?
     
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    There's no almost in it.
     
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    I've heard around that the POTUS would want to increase the number of the members of SCOTUS.
    ["POTUS", "SCOTUS" ... this American mania for acronyms is a bit ridiculous for me, but this is a different matter!].

    This is part of the political game. Just to say, in Italy there are projects to change how Supreme Judges have elected.
    We are living a particular moment for our democracy, overall about the relation between the judiciary power and the legislative power.
    The executive power could even take a rest and wait and see!

    In all Republics there is a point of contact between the legislative and the judiciary power: the Supreme Court [in different countries it has got different names]. It doesn't decide about cases to determine the destiny of the suspects ... it decides about cases to determine the destiny of laws ... laws voted by elected representatives.

    I'm not aware of a country where the judges of the Supreme Court have elected by the people.
    This is a sensitive aspect, because it gives a well visible political color to the Supreme Court.

    But why there isn't a direct popular election? Because generally democracies [and in particular Republics] tend to think that such a direct election would make the Supreme Court populist. And a Supreme Court cannot be populist.

    The consequence of these rules is that the Supreme Court is a political judiciary institution.
    This is very important to understand what's going on now in the United States.

    The SCOTUS [what a terrible acronym!] is following the political orientations of the former administration.
    So what? Why should this be negative?

    From a mere perspective of theoretical political science, to have a SCOTUS aligned with the POTUS would be a tragedy.
    The President would be sure to be allowed to decide everything without having to consider what the SCOTUS could decide.

    On the other hand, there is who says "this SCOTUS has exaggerated!" [Americans have exaggerated with acronyms, not the Supreme Court!]. Exaggerated about what?

    I can understand an argument like this: if in a state Reps win abortion becomes illegal, to become again legal after some years if Dems win in that state. Ok ... So what? This is democracy.
     
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    “Beginning of the end for the GOP”: Oh no, not again!!! Gosh how many time has this happened in the last 40 years…..:truce::truce::truce:
     
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    941 adults surveyed.

    Not really a large chunk of people. But regardless....the easiest way to insure Republican victory is to insure the state will keep abortion rights while squashing late term abortion bullshit

    Easy peezy
     
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    They can start by cutting off extended rocking chair money, and getting covid loafers off the couch and on the job.
     
  20. Gateman_Wen

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    YOu mean expanded unemployment benefits? Those ended ages ago.
     
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    Some how people are affording not to work, when people are begging for worker.
     
  22. Gateman_Wen

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    But that's not the Biden Administration's fault now is it?
     
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    Doesn't matter.
    Dems Look To Quash Differences Amid Growing Voter Anger
    Democrats are bearing the brunt of Americans’ frustration over the direction of the country, with few distinguishing between the two wings of the party and who’s most at fault.

    Early into President Biden’s administration, progressives and moderates were constantly at odds. Each side publicly and privately blamed the other for ideological differences, and inaction defined the debate, leaving voters perplexed about which side was right. . . .
     

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