As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old girl travels to Indiana for procedure

That wasn't the question.
You stated

The question was, how did YOU come to the conclusion that only YOU knew if a 10 year old was pregnant, it was rape?
You seem to take a lot for granted

Thats BS
I have been involved with abused and sexually abused children. Which is why I asked the question.
Sexually abused children all respond to the event and any mother would know well before 6 weeks and 3 days that their child has had a traumatic event.
And when it comes to sexual abuse the signs are overwhelming
Pain or itching in the genital area
Bruises or bleeding in external genitalia
Nightmares or other sleep disturbances
Loss of appetite, or trouble eating or swallowing
Frequent genital or urinary tract infections or irritations
Torn, stained or bloody underclothing
An increase in physical complaints
Problems with bedtime or fear of going to sleep
Fear of certain people or places (example: not wanting to be left alone with a babysitter)
Regression to infantile behaviors such as thumb-sucking or bed-wetting
Abnormal interest in sex or knowledge of sexual matters inappropriate for the child’s age
Preoccupation with their body or masturbation
Bedwetting especially if it begins in a child who has been dry
Sexual activities with toys or other children, such as simulating sex with dolls or asking other children/siblings to behave sexually
Using new words for private body parts
Refusing to talk about a secret he/she has with an adult or older child
Unexplained fear or dislike of certain people or places depression or withdrawal
Lack of confidence
Sudden mood swings: rage, fear, anger, or withdrawal

So your idea that this just popped up 6 weeks and 3 days later is just utter BS

NOBODY on PF has demanded there be more of them via the forced birth of unwanted children to punish them for daring to have sex
YOU just made that up

I am taking issue with the BS you are splattering all over this thread about a 10 year old, that was raped, and nobody knew anything about it until 6 weeks and 3 days later for a fake political BS story and the unique gullibility of the left to buy into it so easy.
You can twist my words all you want but you haven't a clue what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]

 

She was ten. Incapable of giving informed consent.
And the call came from a child abuse doctor.

 

If the pregnancy can be associated with a specific event - like one specific time she was known to have been sexually abused - it is quite possible to get an exact date.

 

No it's not, I've already answered that.

Pregnancy can occur anywhere from hours to a week after insemination.

There is nothing that can pin something down so precisely that anyone can determine the number of weeks and days someone has been pregnant.

This is just an EASILY discarded piece of fiction for anyone that is able to use rational thought and logic.

Another great example of why so many of you believed the Smolett nonsense....and most of your world view.

I'll give you another great reason this is pure nonsense:

Who would take this to court with the intention of proving she was 1-3 days past the 6 week cutoff date?

Again, only a complete moron would believe this nonsense.

 

She is 10 years old. Any sex is considered rape in that state.

Fear. The rapist could have threatened them. Unless they do a weekly rape exam, how exactly would the parents know?

See above. Also, who says the parent's didn't know something was wrong. If their child becomes withdrawn, is rape the first thing that comes to mind.

4. What Republicans are demanding there be more of them via the forced birth of unwanted children to punish them for daring to have sex

Sex with minors is rape. Period.

 

Do YOU believe she should be allowed an abortion…?

 

If you are denying that children are raped, or that they get pregnant — that is your failure to acknowledge truth.

Even if it was “voluntary” does that change the case of her having to flee to another state for needed medical treatment? Is that acceptable to you?

Nothing I or anyone else can say will be able to bridge that gap, but it does happen. I can understand why you are wanting this to be false though, it does paint the fascism from the right wing in a very bright illuminating light.

 

"Who would take this to court with the intention of proving she was 1-3 days past the 6 week cutoff date?"

a religious fanatic that was anti-choice, one that wants to punish the doctor for doing abortions

 

How can a 10 year old be pregnant? In both senses! Can she not travel to a blue state for an abortion?

 

There is a whole load of ignorance being expressed in this thread, much of which could be resolved by reading the actual article and the linked references.

All we know from the article is that this is a ten year old girl under the care of a doctor working in the child abuse field. It is perfectly possible that this wasn't a one-off incident, but a series of abuse and it is perfectly possible it involved parents and/or carers. Even if her parents/guardians weren't involved, it is all too common for abuse victims to keep the abuse to themselves, due to threats from the abuser or general fear of the consequences.

Clinically, the date of conception is commonly measures from the date of the last period, and so that is the date laws such as this apply. This can be problematic for women who don't have regular periods (which isn't uncommon, especially for young girls) and isn't necessarily going to be obvious to a ten year old, who might not even make the connection between a missed period and pregnancy, even if she is being sexually abused or has been raped.

A 10 year old can't legally consent to sex in Ohio (or any US state I'd expect) and so in pretty much any circumstances within the context of child abuse, this would be statutory rape. Regardless of the legal technicalities, it should be clear that forcing a ten year old to carry a child and give birth carries all sorts of social and psychological risks but can a doctor guarantee that she falls under the strict medical exemptions within the as-yet untested law so that they could be confident that carrying out the procedure would be legal.

These kind of cases certainly are (thankfully) rare but the do happen and each and every one involves a victim who needs help and support. These new laws and the narrative supporting them generally ignore or dismiss such individuals because they are rare, which creates situations exactly as described here (and even if this story is untrue in any way, such cares are undeniably possible).

I personally support the idea of restrictions and regulation of abortion, though only as part of a wider sexual and reproductive health care and education. The fundamental problem with how the entire issue is addressed in the US is that it is all about the binary "pro-choice" vs "pro-life" extremists shooting about ideas and principles with their underlying partisan politics. Any rational voices, speaking for actual patients or victims, seeking rational laws, rules and policies, get drowned out by both sides. As sadly demonstrated by the sea of ignorance and political arguments that make up this thread.

 

Thank you for proving my point.

 

No, all we know from this article is that's what's being claimed, not that it's true.

Do these things happen? Absolutely. Do they conveniently happen the same week that R vs W is overturned? Maybe; maybe not. If you read the same newspaper's opinion on the overturn of R vs W also quoted in the opening post, you should be skeptical too.

 

Hahaha! If you listen to the pro-abortionists you would think it already was banned.

 

Abortion is murder, and statistical anomalies don’t justify murder.

 

No it was just a racist comment based on the racial makeup of Mississippi.

 

I cannot deny this is a factor but do not forget what happened in Ireland and Argentina

 

Watch and see how quickly MAGA states start lowering their age of consent to be more consistent with the ability to be become pregnant...

I mean, what's the point if you don't maximize those mandated child bearing years??

Waste not... Want not....

 

Actually, if you listen to the anti-choice religious fanatics who know ****, who lie about what pro-choice Americans know, you're already a lost cause...

 

The “but it’s a baby” crowd who are more concerned about a clump of cells than the young girl. This is what happened in Argentina

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...apists-child-after-argentina-refuses-abortion

 

Well, that what happens when bodily autonomy takes a back seat to radicalized religion and freedom. Women need to vote in Nov 2022 and claim back what they lost and make it loud and clear. The slope is slippery but will get much worse if they don't get out and vote on this issue.

 

If anyone ever wants to understand the sort of fanaticism tha tgives rise to movements like the Taliban, read a succession of posts by people refusing to accept that a pregnant 10 year old has been the subject of a rape or that she should have access to an abortion. Every time I think I've seen the full depths of depravity that conservative America can sink to they find a new level.

 

Who would risk breaking the law with that kind of uncertainty?

 

And that's the point of what SCOTUS did. Looks like now they are going to meddle in the election process; that's an even bigger ****ing deal.

 

Yep. Mississippi for example. Rape caused pregnancies can be aborted - but only if the rape was reported to police when it occurred.