Fact Check: Hurricanes Are Not Strengthened by Our CO2 Emissions

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  1. Injeun

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    Speaking of more named storms as a measurement for an increase in bad weather, Americans who don't live near hurricane prone areas are jealous so they started naming their cold fronts, I guess for bragging rights.
     
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    Debunking alarmist propaganda about hurricanes.
    North Carolina TV Station Is Wrong on Hurricanes and Rising Seas
    ALARMIST MESSENGERS/CLAIMS MAY 23, 2022

    North Carolina television station WRAL recently hosted a segment claiming climate change is making hurricanes more intense and dangerous. This claim is false. By making this claim WRAL is perpetuating a counterfactual alarmist set of talking points. Data show that hurricanes are neither becoming stronger nor more frequent.

    In the segment, titled “Hurricanes and climate change: The need for resiliency,” the anchor says climate change is causing worse hurricanes, and that “scientists say more areas need to prepare for stronger, wetter, and slower moving storms.”

    “All of the effects of the storms themselves seem like they’re getting a bit worse,” said Dr. Rick Luettich of the UNC Institute for Marine Sciences, who was interviewed for the story by WRAL. Official data refute Luettich’s claim.

    As previously explained by Climate Realism here, here, and here, there has been no detectable or statistically significant change in the intensity or frequency of hurricanes. . . .
     
  3. Jack Hays

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    Hurricanes are a diminishing threat.
    Over the past 50 years, the U.S. has been hit by a decreasing percentage of hurricanes AND major hurricanes (Cat3+). There is variability, but the trend in both is downward. See Vecchi et al (2021) for an expanded and more robust look at this topic: https://nature.com/articles/s41467-021-24268-5

    Week in review – climate edition

    Posted on June 19, 2022 by curryja | 41 comments
    by Judith Curry

    A few things that caught my eye these past weeks

    Continue reading →
     
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    Hurricanes are a declining threat.
    Mainstream Media Isn’t Telling the Truth About Hurricanes, New Study Shows
    HURRICANES JULY 19, 2022

    Despite the claims of climate activists and the mainstream media that climate change is causing more tropical cyclones and major hurricanes to form and making hurricane seasons worse, a recent study indicates these claims are false. In fact, the study shows tropical cyclones have declined 13 percent over the past century.

    A June 2022 study titled Declining tropical cyclone frequency under global warming, published in the prestigious science journal Nature, reveals that counts of both northern and southern hemisphere tropical cyclones, which include hurricanes, typhoons, and tropical storms, have declined as the Earth modestly warmed over the past century. From 1900 to 2012, the study authors found that the annual number of tropical cyclones declined by about 13 percent compared with the period between 1850 and 1900, when tropical storms were increasing.

    As illustrated in the figure below, showing the tropical cyclone trend calculated by the researchers, using a combination of actual observations and historical reconstructions, the trend past 1900 is clearly downward.

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    Figure: From Chand et al., 2022. The solid blue line is the annual number of tropical cyclones globally, and the red line is a five-year running mean. The dashed line is the trend line.
    The tropical cyclone trend is almost the opposite of the global temperature trend. . . .
     
  6. Sunsettommy

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    Principia Scientific International

    Atlantic Hurricane Season Sets Records – For Inactivity
    Published on September 2, 2022

    Written by Climate Change Dispatch

    Excerpt:

    With August ending, and with no named storms in the Atlantic, according to records, this is the first August since 1997 to not feature any named tropical storms or hurricanes and only the 18th time on record going back to 1851.

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    LOL another warmist/alarmist prediction failure exposed.
     
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  7. Jack Hays

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    No hurricane trend.
    After Hurricane Ian: No Trend in Florida Landfalls, Global Activity Trending Down
    September 29th, 2022
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    Hurricane Ian approaches SW Florida on 28 September 2022.

    With Hurricane Ian (now a tropical storm) exiting the east coast of Florida, there is no shortage of news reports tying this storm to climate change. Even if those claims actually include data to support their case, those data are usually for cherry-picked regions and time periods. If global warming is causing a change in tropical cyclone activity, it should show up in global statistics.

    The latest peer-reviewed study (March 2022, here) of the accumulated wind energy in tropical cyclones since 1990 (when we started have sufficient global data) showed a decrease in hurricane activity. There was an increase in Atlantic activity, but this was matched by an even larger decrease in Pacific activity, due to a shift from El Nino to La Nina conditions during that time.

    So, yes, there is climate change involved in the uptick in Atlantic activity in recent decades. But it’s natural.

    Looking at just the numbers of global hurricanes since 1980, we see no obvious trends.

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    Global hurricane activity counts by year during 1980-2021.
    . . . .
     
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  8. Sunsettommy

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    Watts Up With That?

    Did Global Warming Make Hurricane Ian Intensify Faster than Normal?
    2 hours ago

    Guest Blogger

    By Neil L. Frank

    Excerpt:

    Hurricane Ian “rapidly transformed from a relatively weak storm into a strong one, [a] phenomenon that has become more common” due to climate change.

    So reported the New York Times in its daily email newsletter. It also said, “Ian embodies several of the major hurricane trends in recent years, as the world copes with the effects of climate change. It’s a strong storm — and strong storms are becoming more common in the Atlantic Ocean, as its surface water has warmed.”

    The prayers of a nation go out to the people in Florida devastated by Hurricane Ian, particularly those in the Ft. Myers area. Ian was indeed one of the most powerful and destructive hurricanes ever to strike southwest Florida.

    Unfortunately, the tragedy is compounded by climate-change activists who are using it for political purposes. They blame Ian on global warming. Headlines in the mainstream media claimed Ian was the fourth-strongest hurricane ever to hit Florida and that its strong winds were caused by global warming. Both statements are wrong.

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    Warmist/alarmists do lie a lot.
     
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    Climate Change Dispatch

    The Media Are Deliberately Lying About Climate Change And Hurricanes

    WRITTEN BY MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER ON OCT 4, 2022.

    Excerpt:

    Over the last several weeks, many mainstream news media outlets have claimed that hurricanes are becoming more expensive, more frequent, and more intense because of climate change. [bold, links added]

    • The Financial Times reported that “hurricane frequency is on the rise.”

    • The New York Times claimed, “strong storms are becoming more common in the Atlantic Ocean.”


    • The Washington Post said, “climate change is rapidly fueling super hurricanes.”

    • ABC News declared, “Here’s how climate change intensifies hurricanes.”

    • Both the FT and NY Times showed graphs purporting to show rising hurricane frequency using data from the U.S. government’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).


    All those claims are false.

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    They lie because they are leftists with an agenda to support.
     
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    The lies just keep on coming.

    Media Lying About Climate Change and Hurricanes

    Michael Shellenberger, Substack

    Over the last several weeks, many mainstream news media outlets have claimed that hurricanes are becoming more expensive, more frequent, and more intense because of climate change.

    All of those claims are false. . . .
     
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    Did I miss something? Where is the proof that "Hurricanes Are Not Strengthened by Our CO2 Emissions"?

     
  12. Sunsettommy

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    Did you read the article at all?
     
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    I have to hand it to our resident denialists - they work hard.

    Pity no one is listening
     
  14. Sunsettommy

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    Actually, the very fact that you can't find faults with the above articles shows you have nothing to sell but put downs.

    Pity that you are unable to generate a cogent argument.

    Also, in other forums I frequent it is the warmist/alarmists who are so bad at debate since they do what YOU do belittle, insult and avoid the details of the article you dislike.

    The number of warmist/alarmists have been dwindling and the increase of climate realists in the forums have been growing because the AGW scamming has grown old, and the lies have gotten too obvious to overlook anymore.
     
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    There's global warming is nothing but a cult-like scam of beliefs to justify inserting government into every area of your life.

    We have to give the government more power to regulate every aspect of human activity or we're going to kill the world....

    Every dictator's power grab ever has been predicated upon fear.
     
  16. Polydectes

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    Well it's because it's a scam. People are slowly becoming aware of this.

    I'm 40 so I was in elementary school in the 80s and they would bring these people into talk to us mostly about the rainforest but it was really all about pollution and how we should recycle and reuse things which are things I don't disagree with if we can reuse something we should but then there was always this talk about how the sea levels are going to rise and it was just going to devastate humanity.

    This was imbued in Us in school and in education I was a weird kid so I like to nature documentaries and they were coming in nature documentaries. There was FernGully there are a few other movies I remember that were about this and there was Captain planet so you're fighting against a lot of indoctrination.

    And people are not too Keen to say what they've believed all this time this false.

    One of the best arguments I've seen against this global catastrophe crap is that being still invest in coastal property they'll Ensure hotels and resorts and homes and a lot of the times these are mortgaged for 50 years. There's never any cause in them regarding global warming. So don't think anyone really takes it seriously
     
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    Denialist is just a fancy word for heretic.

    Remember this is religious devotion cultivated over decades
     
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    Real Climate Science

    Washington Post Vs. Science
    Posted on October 5, 2022 by tonyheller

    Excerpt:

    Six years ago the Washington Post was terrified by the record lack of hurricanes in Florida and the US.

    “A major hurricane hasn’t hit the U.S. Gulf or East Coast in more than a decade. A major hurricane is one containing maximum sustained winds of at least 111 mph and classified as Category 3 or higher on the 1-5 Saffir-Simpson wind scale.”

    “Florida hasn’t seen a hurricane of any intensity since 2005’s Wilma, which is shocking considering it averages about seven hurricane landfalls per decade. The current drought in the Sunshine State, nearing 11 years, is almost twice as long as the previous longest drought of six years (from 1979-1985).”

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    Lots of nice charts in the link.

    I wouldn't be surprised that warmists/alarmists have forgotten about that 12 year no major hurricane landfall gap inconvenience.
     
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    Here in DeSoto county on the Southwest coast of Florida. ( The area of Florida that seems to take most of the hurricane hits)

    Last major hurricanes as follows.
    Hurricane Charley 2004.
    Hurricane Irma 2017.
    Hurricane Ian a week ago.

    I would not call that an excessive amount of hurricanes.
     
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    Maaaate - not bothering because it is not worth my time

    The argument is settled - the world governments have agreed and are acting on mitigation

    The denialist arguments are now sidelined twaddle
     
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    You are then trolling since that is all you are doing here, please go away and leave the adults alone.
     
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    Your post reads suspiciously like whistling past the graveyard. Just for Halloween?
    Media Lying About Climate Change and Hurricanes

    Michael Shellenberger, Substack
     
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    I can't believe there are so-called freedom loving people who clamor for the government to take away more of their rights and control more of their life. It truly is a cult-like belief system.

    People like that don't deserve to live in a free society. They deserve the dictatorship they get.

    But it would be nice if they could go somewhere and live amongst theirselves.
     
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    Have they lived in prime hurricane country like me all my life? There has been no increase in numbers or intensity in my almost 70 years of doing so just as our coastline has not risen in that timeframe. The articles cited prove that. What do you have to refute it?
     
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    Let's do what the deniers here hate most, which is look at the actual science.

    Eisner (2008 )
    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature07234
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    Atlantic tropical cyclones are getting stronger on average, with a 30-year trend that has been related to an increase in ocean temperatures over the Atlantic Ocean and elsewhere1,2,3,4. Over the rest of the tropics, however, possible trends in tropical cyclone intensity are less obvious, owing to the unreliability and incompleteness of the observational record and to a restricted focus, in previous trend analyses, on changes in average intensity. Here we overcome these two limitations by examining trends in the upper quantiles of per-cyclone maximum wind speeds (that is, the maximum intensities that cyclones achieve during their lifetimes), estimated from homogeneous data derived from an archive of satellite records. We find significant upward trends for wind speed quantiles above the 70th percentile,
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    Deniers? This is where you fail to cite any actual science, and instead claim that your links to weird propaganda pieces count as science, so you don't have to cite actual science. You know, the thing you always do. Please proceed.
     
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