Constitutional Gun Control

Unless you can come up with some hard statistics about what percent of them legally carried guns that really doesn't mean anything.

And furthermore since those are on public highways it doubly does not mean anything

 

Horrible approach, especially in a place like NYC where people don't tend to drive so they have no place to store their sidearms. But, I must admit, I expected them to completely ignore the law instead of trying stupid workarounds to accomplish essentially the same thing.

They had best be prepared to provide lockboxes for people to store their pieces if they're not going to let them in. I much prefer how my State does it, where those "no guns allowed" signs aren't worth the cardboard they're printed on as they're legally meaningless.

You are aware that CCW permit holders are the most law-abiding group of people in society, and commit crimes at a rate 1/6th that even of LEOs, right? You are chicken littleing for no reason.

 

One problem we don't have is concealed carry permit holders going around shooting up random places. In fact, they stop and/or prevent way more crimes than they cause.

 

Doubt it.

 

You think wrong. In my State, the home of the next President of the United States, roughly 1 in every 6 adults has a carry permit, so I figure I'm pretty much surrounded by armed people anytime I go out in public. Just standing in line at Home Depot with an average weekend crowd pretty much guarantees someone else (aside from me and my wife) is armed, legally. I do not fear those people because they are the good guys, and have proven by decade after decade of non-incidents they are deserving of trust.

You're from NYC aren't you? And if I missed that guess, at least from one of the States whose "may issue" permitting process just got torpedoed by SCOTUS. I lived in NYC, but wasn't raised there, and I came to realize that fearing guns is part of the upbringing, the religion, and probably in the water. I'm getting repetitive I guess, but permit holders are the last people you need worry about.

I feel like I'm in a timewarp back to about 1985, when all the gunophobes would call talk radio, or the Democrats would whine on the House and Senate floor (including Janet Reno) about the proposed issuance of "shall issue" permits here in the State of Florida. Right down to the very specific example of road rage shootings out of the barrels of permit holders. Those predictions never came to pass, and it's now 2022. You're chasing ghosts.

You didn't need to explain it again, I get it. Right down to your true purpose, which is to force law-abiding citizens to walk around a City that has returned to the danger levels of the 70s and 80s, without any means of self-defense. Do you want innocents to keep dying on the streets of The City?

 

That's because you react, with your silly little two- and three-word responses, without doing an ounce of research, likely because you are afraid your convictions are wrong.

However, your doubts are unfounded, as you can clearly see here.

 

Nope, in order for a weapon to be a deterrent so that criminals won't go after you they must KNOW not THINK you MIGHT have it. If you carry concealed its because you want to shoot back if your attacked, NOT to prevent being attacked in the first place.

 

Oh bull crap. You don't think criminals in the State of Florida know there there is either two or three million concealed Carry permits?

 

Yep, but they don't KNOW that someone has a CW on them.

 

And that my good man would be the point.... You never know whose armed and carrying so It might behoove you to behave.

 

Ever hear of the phrase, out of sight out of mind.

 

Is it a great mystery to many that there's over 400 million firearms in the USA?

 

What does that have to do with my post?

 

If I have to explain it then no one can explain it

 

So it doesn't, which does not change the fact that I am right.

 

the owner of property can.

 

You are very rarely right and this time is no exception.

 

Any business (and any homeowners) can put a simple sign at the door that indicates no guns, and violating that is a prosecutable offense. Thus the right of any private property owner to exclude concealed carry or any weapons on their premises already exists. The 2nd stated to keep and BEAR arms, so the constitution grants the right to carry. It would seem that the right to exclude that on your property is by far the lesser issue than making it automatic, and no doubt triggering more legal hassle.

My bank does not exclude concealed carry, nor my grocery, or Walmart, or most larger businesses.where I live. It is the paranoid people who generally put the no-guns signs up.
Fearing the gun is really misdirected, because threats are created by people with criminal intent. Barring guns doesn't change that, but the presence of guns among people in a store gives criminals cause to question the wisdom of committing crime there. Eliminate guns, criminals are not deterred- they are safer. Eliminate criminals, guns are not needed. It is already a crime for a person previously convicted to possess a gun. But the bad guys are not controlled by laws; if they were that would be the easy way. But they are deterred by the risk of being shot dead.
The recidivism rate of those who are- is zero. That IS crime control.

 

My bank used to bar concealed guns, but removed the prohibition for two reasons, the fist is anyone wishing to rob a bank by the very fact they intend to rob a bank which means they expect to use a weapon to intimidate for compliance is going to ignore any property owner ban anyway and second many of those leagally carrying is doing so for their safety and the safety of others and represent an unknown which is a potential deterrent to any of criminal intent. In my state now a permittees scary state, previous to the new law nearl 1 in 10 had a concealed carry permit, which meant that 1 in 10 was also trained, so while bank employees ware trained to comply and Han over the cash1 in 1had are presented the risk of intervention with training in the use of their fire arm buth without the employee traing to comply. And, now anyone of the mostly lawabididing might be carrying. Would someone act to intervene in such a circumstance? Hopefully, an intervention wouldn’t be done that would put others at risk, but now that is a wild card.
I am often reminded of the old urban myth of a police officer helping an diminutive elderly woman up from a fall when a .357 falls out of her shoulder bag.as he picked up her bag and the gun, ha said ‘Gee lady that’s a big gun. What are you afraid of.’ To which she answered, ‘not a damn thing, sonny’. funny thing is, A close friend of mine, a 78 year old 5’ tall woman, Carrie’s a Kimber k6, .357 revolver and not only knows how to use it completely, she embodies the attitude of the lady in the urban myth. Anymore I sort of am reminded of the Clint Eastwood movie, The Enforcer, wher a couple of fellows attempt to rob a cop bar where every cop in the place pulls their gun.
I don’t know about others, but my moral code requires me to act when the lives of others are at risk even at the risk of my own life. And, I have had the occasion to do so. The only restriction I impose on myself is not to put the lives of others at risk if I can prevent it. But in of that, I have acted to save lives, including a stopping a broad daylight kidknapping.
The law abiding having a concealed weapon isn’t who a property owner need to be concerned about.

 

Which is who should be doing so, not the government.

 

As of 4 days ago, the updated number is precisely 2,705,478.

From what I've seen in my interweb travels, this is a proposed scheme being cocked up by NYC. If, as they suspect/hope most people don't put up the "concealed carry allowed" signs it essentially means that even a legal concealed carrier won't be able to leave their homes armed, because most don't drive and as such, won't have anywhere to store their sidearms while in a gunphobic place.

I also suspect they'll try to make the subways off-limits, but based on the long-standing tradition test they'll likely have issues with that, especially if they have previously let retired law enforcement carry there with LEOSA licenses.

 

The pattern of the leftist movements is devious; they will use every back-door they can find to avoid dealing with issues head-on. That's not people willing to accept majority opinion, it's people thinking what they want over-rides everybody else and the facts, no matter what. I for one won't cut those people or ideas another inch of slack; they have abused every consideration shown to them, every time.