Has the Global Temperature Trend Turned to Cooling?

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  1. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

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    I notice that Mamooth doesn't address any of the papers in some detail and was shown to not bothering to read into a link Jack posted that contained several published papers in it.

    Not a serious person at all in my view.
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Milestones in cooling:
    UAH Global Temperature Update for June 2022: +0.06 deg. C
    July 1st, 2022
    The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for June, 2022 was +0.06 deg. C, down (again) from the May, 2022 value of +0.17 deg. C.

    Tropical Coolness

    The tropical (20N-20S) anomaly for June was -0.36 deg. C, which is the coolest monthly anomaly in over 10 years, the coolest June in 22 years, and the 9th coolest June in the 44 year satellite record.

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  3. Jack Hays

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    The record of cooling.
    Since 2000 The Arctic’s Hudson Bay Has Cooled -0.35°C With 10 Of 15 Sites Gaining Sea Ice
    By Kenneth Richard on 7. July 2022

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    A new study (Gupta et al., 2022) indicates that from 2000-2019 73% of the 15 sites considered have been cooling and 67% have experienced a lengthening of sea ice duration.
    Canada’s Hudson Bay extends into the Arctic Ocean and its coasts are teeming with polar bears.

    Scientists report 11 of 15 Hudson Bay sites have been cooling since 2000. The average cooling for these 11 sites is -0.34°C per decade.

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    Image Source: Gupta et al., 2022
     
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    DMI shows that the Arctic region is having one of the COLDEST summers on record:

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    A result of cooling.
    New Study Indicates Coral Presence Around Japan Has Plummeted With The Onset Of Global Cooling
    By Kenneth Richard on 14. July 2022

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    The Western North Pacific has continued cooling over the last millennium, with no reversal in trends after the Little Ice Age.
    Earlier this year we highlighted a study showing corals thrive in multiple-degrees-warmer-than-today waters and their growth is stunted in cooler environments.

    Corals in the Western North Pacific near Japan were far more abundant than today during the warmer last interglacial (as the below chart in Fifer et al., 2022 shows).

    Coral presence has rapidly declined in tandem with global cooling over the last 1,000 years. When this region was yet 2°C warmer 5,000 to 6,000 years ago, corals were still “prolific” here.

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    Image Source: Fifer et al., 2022
     
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    Again, the question. Where did you hear something that crazy, and why did you fall for it.

    Satellite temps? A model. Surface temps? Not a model. You love the model.

    Which AGW science does, and which deniers reject. that's one big reasons we know denialism is p

    If you're going to just deny real.ity outright and fake stories of predictions, what's the point in talking to you? We get it. You say what the cult tells you to say.
     
  8. mamooth

    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I addressed how UAH sucks

    I addressed your cherrypicking fallacies with my graphics.

    And I kind of ripped Jack to shreds with his misrepresentation of the Southern ocean stuff.

    Did you have any other arguments besides cherrypicking, using bad data sets, or misrepresenting what the study said? If you do, please bring them up. No normal person can be expected to wade through your Gish Gallops of twaddle.

    That is, tell me specifically what paper you want me to address, summarize it in your own words, say why it matters, and we'll discuss it. Demonstrate knowledge of the topic, instead of just being a link-pasting parrot. Then stick around to actually discuss it, instead of avoiding discussion by huffily proclaiming "the paper stands!". That is, back up your BS.
     
  9. Sunsettommy

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    I repeat what I posted earlier since you still haven't addressed anything:

    Meanwhile you responded to Jacks 2016 to 2022 chart by posting a chart that starts at 1880, post 36.

    Meanwhile your desperate attack on UAH is funny since NASA and NOAA are accepting the data and that UAH is using the better-quality Satellite while RSS which you are completely silent about uses older less accurate satellites that have decaying orbits thus has to be corrected every single month, that is bad....

    You never did address the charts in post 37 and post 40 which are 100% based on the official data.

    Never denied the long-term warming trend thus your silly attacks on temperature charts which you never addressed means you have nothing.
     
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    I literally can't help your ignorance of how temperature data are generated.
    Many surface temps are also modeled.
    No, AGW nonscience rejects or alters data that show it is nonscience.
    <yawn>
     
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    Resorting to falsehoods. So sad.
     
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    Exposing your falsehoods.
     
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    One thing that is happening that effects the weather that people don't talk about much is the poles are moving and speeding up.
     
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    I think you mean the earth's magnetic field is moving and weakening rapidly. It's true that we don't know how that is affecting weather and climate. The anti-CO2 hysteria campaign just dogmatically insists it can't have any effect, and either ignores it, dismisses it, or actively suppresses research into it.
     
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    Ya that. Magnetic north is on the run and speeding up.
     
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    No, you only showed you prefer inferior methodologies that give the results you want.
    No, you showed you think your cherry picking is better than a more honest presentation.
    No, you misrepresented the data on the Southern Ocean.
    As they say in Japan, "It's mirror time!"
     
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    Back in reality, NASA GISS temps show June 2022 tying the "hottest June ever" record.

    And that happened with a strong La Nina event going on.

    We know what happens next. The next time an El Nino comes along, the global average temperature record gets shattered.

    So, deniers, will you be using the "ALL THE DATA EXCEPT MY FUDGY SATELLITE MODEL IS FAKED!" excuse, or the "IT'S ALL A NATURAL CYCLE!" excuse? At least you've got time to prepare.
     
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    NASA gets their data from UAH, just like I do.
     
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    You didn't post a link to support your claim and from GISS the worst and most manipulated data set of them all.

    LOL
     
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    Noty really necessary, given that I have such a reputation for always supporting my claims. You deniers will never know what that feels like. It feels good.

    But here's the link.

    https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v4/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

    So you're going the "ALL THE DATA EXCEPT FOR MY EXTRA-FUDGY SATELLITE MODEL IS FAKED!" route. Got it.

    You do understand that "Any data I don't like is faked!" is standard conspiracy cult rambling, right?

    So, anyone else want to weight in with their choice?
     
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    This claim is a surprise to us all.
     
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    Uh, no, actually.
    No, you simply made that claim up -- and you will not be supporting it.
    You do understand that you made that up, right?
     
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    Lots of discussion of cooling.
    Heating With Green Energies May Come With Brutal Reality Check… Scientists Warned Of Global Cooling
    By P Gosselin on 7. September 2022

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    The following comment by Allan MacRae has been upgraded to a post:

    PREDICTIONS OF GLOBAL COOLING, IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER SINCE 2003:

    In 2003, Dr. Theodor Landscheidt wrote a paper predicting serious global cooling: “… a long period of cool climate with its coldest phase around 2030 is to be expected.”

    In 2005, Piers Corbyn predicted cooling by 2040.

    Khabibullo Abdusamatov and colleagues at the Russian Academy of Science stated in 2006:
    “Global cooling could develop on Earth in 50 years and have serious consequences …”

    Nigel Weiss, University of Cambridge, stated in 2006:
    “If you look back into the sun’s past, you find that we live in a period of abnormally high solar activity. Periods of high solar activity do not last long, perhaps 50 to 100 years, then you get a crash. It’s a boom-bust system, and I would expect a crash soon.”

    Leif Svalgaard, Stanford University, stated in 2006:
    “Sunspot numbers are well on the way down in the next decade. Sunspot numbers will be extremely small, and when the sun crashes, it crashes hard. The upcoming sunspot crash could cause the Earth to cool.”

    In 2007, Lin Zhen-Shan and Sun Xian wrote in “Multi-scale analysis of global temperature changes and trend of a drop in temperature in the next 20 years”:
    “… Signs also show a drop in temperature in China on century scale in the next 20 years.”

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    MORE PREDICTIONS OF GLOBAL COOLING:

    THE NEW LITTLE ICE AGE HAS STARTED
    H. I. Abdussamatov 2016
    “The quasi-centennial epoch of the new Little Ice Age has started at the end 2015 after the maximum phase of solar cycle 24.
     
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