As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old girl travels to Indiana for procedure

Sounds like all abortion laws based on gestational age should be void for uncertainty.

 

Because I checked into the abortion laws in Ohio and both minors and woman who's life is at risk can get abortions.

And I see nothing in their heartbeat bill that would change that fact.
https://news.yahoo.com/advocates-worry-heartbeat-bill-means-183800910.html

"The law contains an exception allowing abortions to save the life of the pregnant woman, but a representative with Women's Med Center in Kettering — one of the few remaining abortion providers in Ohio — said the center's attorneys find the law "extraordinarily poorly written and confusing."

In this case, the mother is both a MINOR and someone who's life would obviously be at risk if she goes ahead with the pregnancy. Soo....again. I smell bullshit.

 

Do we really want to be the nation that forces young women and mentally impaired women to carry a fetus to term against their will?

Is it making the world a better place to force a manic/depressive woman to go off her meds and carry to term?

Does society gain anything by forcing a woman with 3 kids she loses her job and husband to carry the fourth to term when she is
stretched and stressed financially and emotionally?

 

Minors are not treated any differently than adults under Ohio law. Abortions banned after 6 weeks.
There is an exception if the mother’s life is at risk but that is an exception to an otherwise illegal act.
It isn’t clear how one would obtain confirmation from the authorities, in advance, that the exception applies. Or even whether it is possible to obtain such confirmation.
In the absence of that, it would be very risky for anyone to proceed in the hope that the prosecutor agrees with the assessment that life was at risk.

The point here is that this child, who clearly should have the right to abort this unwanted pregnancy, is being denied that right.

 

Has anyone on the right actually sat down and thought about how stupid anti-abortion laws are in a country where 50%
of states are going to still allow abortions?

The rich and middle class will simply go back to taking "vacations".

The only people who will ultimately face any impact are the poor and mentally ill. And we end up right back where
we were in the 1960's where there were weekly horror stories of the poor and mentally ill either seeking out back ally
abortions or having the mentally ill being forced to give go off medications to give birth. It's insane.

 

Everyone that is able to get pregnant instantly becomes sane, financially and emotionally secure and able and willing to provide love, kindness, nurturing and patience regardless of how many children she has (and doesn't want). None of those kids will be abused, neglected, abandoned or sold for drugs or human trafficking. They will have three nourishing meals per day, a soft and safe place to sleep free from monsters of the night (that look a lot like daddy (or his friends) or mommy (or her friends)). They will be embraced by everyone around them and never called "mistakes" or "f*ck ups" and told they are worthless. They won't be truant or have any scraps with the police because the parent that didn't want to bring them into the world will work 2,3 or 4 jobs to provide them whatever their little precious hearts desire. But, she will also be blamed for not being home to care for her kids (just go with it). She will find a partner that would just love to raise another man's (or men's) children and provide them with everything they need. He won't be demanding, abusive or resentful at all. All of his "old school" discipline is only for their benefit and mommy nods approvingly because he doesn't beat her as often if he gets to take his insecurities out on her kids.

The very fortunate ones will be left in dumpsters or on the steps of any church or police station but that will be short-lived as they are haphazardly placed anywhere with anybody willing to take another mouth to feed. Many of those placements will be with serial pedophiles that know how to appear normal just long enough to fool the overburdened social worker assigned to their case. Once the child has been successfully groomed to provide any and all sexual pleasure on demand, they will be advanced to "recruiter" to manipulate and teach the younger ones what they need to do to not get beat, have something to eat and somewhere to sleep and when they get "too old" (because pedophiles have specific "tastes" in their prey), they will be non-chaltantly thrown on the street to fend for themselves with no education, stability or work skills. They will be found by whatever pimps work the area where they were dumped and quickly learn how to "check out" while he violates their little body over and over until their will to live is damn near shattered. There's nowhere to go but back to the "foster home" in the hope they will open the door so they do that and agree to bring in other kids for all the sick pleasures of the adults around them. They reason that it's better than being violated just as much without a chance for a meal or something other than a cardboard box in whatever kind of area in whatever kind of weather. They are basically feral and will fight to survive by any means necessary because they've known since birth that they are unwanted for anything other than bigger people's sex toy and physical and verbal punching bags.

All the "good Christians" that decided all those "precious little lives" should come into the world don't see them. They walk by the cardboard boxes and tent cities and snub their noses at the stench. They offer "thoughts and prayers" and ask their imaginary sky daddy to help while doing nothing to contribute to that process in any practical way. They are proud of themselves because they picketed outside abortion clinics and finally got their wish that nobody can have a safe and medically supervised abortion. They never see the females (of all ages) that die or develop serious infections because they've tried to induce their own abortions. They never see the disabled and deformed babies that are born because the female carrying that life tried to induce abortion with some kind of poison. They don't go into clinics and children's hospitals and see all the babies and kids there with serious injuries from abuse and neglect. They don't have to see them because their only goal is to inflict their rules onto complete strangers with no concept of what that actually looks like in real life. And, in the time it's taken me to type this, 100 more babies and kids have been brutalized, another child has committed suicide, another mother has killed her child(ren) and a few more have been sold. That's not a reality they want to know let alone talk about. It's the reality that haunts my dreams because I can't help them all.

 

It's worth noting that the Ohio abortion law isn't based on gestational age anyway, it is based on detection of foetal heartbeat (not that this is any less varied and complex). It is just established medical opinion that this typically occurs around six weeks of gestation. Gestation itself is formally measured from the day of the patients last period (itself an imperfect measure, especially in the context of a 10 year old).

Ultimately, those specifics don't really matter in this context. Regardless of how the hard cut-off is determined, it remains perfectly plausible (and eventually, inevitable) for a child to be in this kind of situation where an abortion is (or is feared to be) legally prohibited in Ohio. The fundamental issue is that the Ohio law assumes that anyone capable of being pregnant is automatically capable of carrying to term and giving birth unless they're diagnosed with a defined medical condition that is seriously counter-indicatory to their physical health.

 

How did you read my post and somehow get that I was defending rape?

You could've saved yourself a lot of time and just said that 99.999% of females cannot get pregnant at 10 years old therefore this story and the timing is most likely BS. No one defeneded rape.

 

Maybe these special people will remember where babies come from and use protection

 

https://usabortionlaws.com/ohio/
2022

Now again, I can't see anything that tells me this has changed with the heartbeat bill. But my bet it that it hasn't.
For Minor
If you are a minor seeking an abortion, you must receive consent from one of the following individuals:

• Your parent , parents, step parents, grandparent or guardian.
• Sibling age 21 or older.
• A person appointed by the court to represent you in matters related to your pregnancy.

A 10 year old would clearly be able to get a doctor to sign off on it being a health issue to the mother. As such this isn't a problem with the law in this case, it's a problem with the doctors.

So again. I'm calling BULLSHIT on this story.

 

Your prescription for my saving time, is predicated upon my being as ignorant as you, on the subject, to think that "99.999% of females cannot get pregnant at 10 years old," which I am glad to report, I am not. I don't know, if you are perhaps 90 years old, what was the norm when you were young, but nowadays, a 10 yr. old getting her period is nowhere near as rare as you believe. As it is clear that you are not one to ever doubt your current understandings, enough to actually verify them, I brought this clip here, for you:

https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/talk-about-menstruation.html

[Snip]
When do most girls get their period?
Most girls get their first period when they're between 10 and 15 years old. The average age is 12, but every girl's body has its own schedule.

[End]

If the average age and median age are pretty close, as is often the case, it would mean that getting one's first period at 10 would be no more rare than getting it at 14 or 15.



The more you know.

 

Using your figure of 99.999% of babies being born to mother's over 10 years old means that 0.001% of babies are born to 10 year old mothers. 10,000 babies are born each day in US. That means that 1 baby is born to 10 year old mother every 100 days Hence the story isn't so unbelievable after all

 

I didn't say 99.999% get pregnant, I said could get pregnant as in physically possible.

 

I'm so glad you think you just schooled me, as a woman, a mother, an aunt, and a grandmother. I know how periods work but thanks anyway.

 

See that's why foreigners should tread lightly in U.S. forums, clearly you know little about U.S. law!

So tell us all, were you of consenting age the first time you had intercourse? I wasn't, and either was my later wife of 47 years I know very few girls and boys that were 18 "Legal age of consent in California" and older that hadn't hand intercourse in my young days AND I SUSPECT the age's are quite young in todays porn everywhere world!

Reality goes a long way in accurate debate!

 

Proving my point, that you falsely believe you are beyond error, in your knowledge of the reality of pubescent girls today, on the whole, based on your own experience as a girl, and your limited knowledge of your own relatives' periods. Yours is an irrelevantly small sampling. I did not give you MY opinion, I cited that of the kidshealth.org website, which you feel is inferior to your own personal opinion?

Some people, clearly, are beyond being, "schooled." But being impenetrable to any new information, is an odd thing, in which to take pride. Enjoy your ignorance, but it does not change the facts; your ideas about this thread being farfetched, are the true sham.

 

Everyone who supports what this 10 year old is going through supports sexual assault. This is ridiculous and will only get worse.

 

It’s disgusting seeing the people saying this is rare so it doesn’t matter. These people have no value for human life or even basic integrity. It is all about control.

It’s evil.

 

Leftist kill millions of babies a year and have the balls to call others evil

 

Read where an ab abortion clinic in Mississippi is moving to new Mexico and I have to wonder why the urgency. is there profit from these clinics?

 

This one still believes the act of sex can create a person. When a person is created through sex, that person has rights immediately. Not when it's convenient to give them.

That said, there should be an exception for rape. Self defense principles apply with rape. They do not apply with consensual sex. Just as in self defense against a mob (aka Rittenhouse), provocation can nullify self defense justification.

 

So a zygote has rights immediately unless the mother was raped and then it doesn’t? The logical and moral gymnastics required to make any scenario not be cognitively dissonant where the rights of the mother can be unilaterally removed are astounding.

 

And just like that, there are pregnant 10 and 11 year olds all over the country finding out they are pregnant just a few days outside the given time lines.
Amazing how gullible people are to buy into these idiotic media regurgitations.

 

Nope. Which is why they have plenty of time to make such a decision.
Or did you think if some idiotic parent didn't do their job, we should just make all abortions in history unlimited?

 

Nope, which is why abortions are not illegal