As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old girl travels to Indiana for procedure

I think that 24 weeks is too late for an abortion unless the baby is not viable even for rape cases. I used to think that 22 weeks should be the limit but after finding out more about abortions this should also be reduced to, perhaps, 16 weeks

 

I am totally with you on being abhorred by any state without these exceptions. And besides that, they don't help the prolife cause.

I'm down with doctors making the decision if it's life threatening. I know this will be abused, but the goal is in time to make it rarer and rarer through simply convincing.

I'll have to get back on contraceptives.

 

If you believe there are no other person's rights involved in the decision, then of course there is no reason to restrict abortion whatsoever. No self defense argument needed. I use self defense and provocation principles in order to convince fellow prolifers of the need for exceptions.

 

But abortion rates are already doing that:


Study after study have shown the best method to prevent abortion is sex education and no or low cost contraceptives (such as IUD’s).

Why is the only option from the “pro-life” argument just to strip women of their bodily autonomy to force unwanted children to be born?

 

The purpose of "sex education" is not to prevent pregnancy, it is to prematurely and inappropriately sexualize kids.

It is a prime component of the communist program of demoralization.

"Study after study" carried out by leftwing at best, more likely Marxist professors - of course they're going to recommend sex, sex, and more sex!!!

You try to talk to my kids about sex?? You're going to be eating your meals thru a straw for a while.

 

How is it you leftists cannot simply mind your own business??!!!!!

You know everything about everything - so much so that you reserve for yourselves the right to wield government against others who cannot possibly be as enlightened as you!!

It's really sick. You're no different than any other flavor of authoritarian from the pages of history - Nazis, communists, the French Revolution, the Inquisition, the holocaust...

You're no different than any of those other sick people.

 

Were you going to provide this option for abortions you would like to see so your 10 year old doesn't carry full term?
Remember, you have to make it equal across the board for all abortions.
So what is this option you are so adamite about

 

Err, it's the right who are telling others what they can and cannot do!

 

I support a woman’s right to choose, for her own bodily autonomy, until the point of viability unless there is a major birth defect that will impact the health of the child or the mothers health is at risk — then I support them at the doctors discretion.

My position is equally applied in all situations

 

Seems like it meets the common sense and freedom tests to me. But, women need to vote in Nov 2022, all and everyone of them or they will soon be again barefoot and in the kitchens.
Congress as it current sits and Joe Biden can't fix this, only a filibuster proof majority in Congress can.

 

This is the ultimate in irony, the right is the one that is trying to tell people what they can and cannot do with their body, can and cannot do to their body, what medical treatments they can receive, what medical treatments they cannot receive, what they can be taught, what they cannot be taught, and who they can sign legal civil contracts with.

I have never heard before though that teaching safe sex education and human anatomy deserves assault though. You then go on to complain about people being more enlightened than you, this is your sign.

 

Yet you also posted this

So what is this point of viability? 2nd trimester? 3rd?

 

24 weeks of gestational age is the commonly accepted age of viability — I would even understand and accept arguments at 21 weeks being the cut off as a fetus does have about a very small but possible chance of survival outside the womb but this requires major medical intervention. <20 weeks that chance of survival drops to 0%.

A fetus is still not fully developed by this stage. What are you struggling with?

 

I'm a libertarian, and as "rightwing" as anyone. I don't get involved in the abortion blood slinging because I don't think I have the right to tell others what to do with their own bodies.

However, the pro-life side has a legitimate argument in that the baby counts as a life.

Democrats don't acknowledge or respect life though, so killing babies is a yawn.

 

Mind your own business. !!!

That is exactly what you are not doing by making abortion illegal.

 

This is a 20 week fetus


And just an FYI, no baby can survive outside the womb without constant attention so that argument fails up front.
This isn't a clump of cells or an undeveloped egg sack.

 

It isn’t that it is “a yawn” — it is just that many understand that bodily autonomy and the right to self is one of the most fundamental rights. If one does not have the right to their own body then all other rights are meaningless.

 

There is a difference neglect and forcing one to provide their body to sustain another.

 

Funny, we weren't hearing that from the left when Biden was trying to mandate vaccines and vaccine passports.
Thank God the courts shot that down as well

 

You did from the moderate left and from myself.
So you agree with the right to bodily autonomy even if it is going to protect others or prevent death, correct?

 

There are other solutions you know, like
1. Don't have unprotected sex
2. Don't use abortions as your form of birth control
3. If you don't want children then be an adult about your sexual behavior
4. If you don't have the accountability to use protection during sex, then test yourself
5. And if you can be accountable or responsible for yourself, it doesn't mean the Government owes you something.

 

What I am telling you is they have different claims for different political wants.
Its my body my choice for abortion, but seems they all forgot about it when the vaccine was being pushed.
Its called hypocrisy
And no, nothing in that so called vaccine stops the spread or protects you from getting it so you can stop with all the (Prevent others death) thing.

 

birth control fails on average one and every 50 times

no one does this, abortion is an absolute last step

See response #1

See response #1

It does when they are preventing you from medical treatment

 

Nowhere close. There seems to be significant variation, geographically, historically and socially, but today around 20% to 30% of US girls will have their first period prior to their 11th birthday (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr146-508.pdf).

And as I've mentioned previously, even if this specific incident isn't being reported accurately or honestly, it is undeniably possible for a young girl to end up in this situation and for her doctors to be unsure whether the as-yet untested new laws (as they could be interpreted in a court case) would permit an abortion in those circumstances.

 

Yes, it is called hypocrisy to say the government cannot mandate vaccines but they can mandate birth

I noticed you didn’t answer the question, would you like to try again?