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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Megadrought in Southwest Is Now the Worst in at Least 1,200 Years, Study Confirms

    The drought that has enveloped southwestern North America for the past 22 years is the region’s driest megadrought—defined as a drought lasting two decades or longer — since at least the year 800, according to a new study in the journal Nature Climate Change.

    Thanks to the region’s high temperatures and low precipitation levels from summer 2020 through summer 2021, the current drought has exceeded the severity of a late-1500s megadrought that previously had been identified by the same authors as the driest in 1,200 years.

    University of California Los Angeles geographer Park Williams, the study’s lead author, said with dry conditions likely to persist, it would take multiple wet years to remediate the effects. “It’s extremely unlikely that this drought can be ended in one wet year,” he said. The study was coauthored by Jason Smerdon and Benjamin Cook of the Columbia Climate School.

    https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2...-worst-in-at-least-1200-years-study-confirms/

    More stuff for you two to deny.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Caused by what?
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's nothing false about it.

    Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industrial levels

    Carbon dioxide measured at NOAA’s Mauna Loa Atmospheric Baseline Observatory peaked for 2022 at 421 parts per million in May, pushing the atmosphere further into territory not seen for millions of years, scientists from NOAA and Scripps Institution of Oceanographyoffsite link at the University of California San Diego announced today.

    NOAA's measurements of carbon dioxide at the mountaintop observatory on Hawaii’s Big Island averaged 420.99 parts per million (ppm), an increase of 1.8 ppm over 2021. Scientists at Scripps, which maintains an independent record, calculated a monthly average of 420.78 ppm.

    “The science is irrefutable: humans are altering our climate in ways that our economy and our infrastructure must adapt to,” said NOAA Administrator Rick Spinrad, Ph.D. “We can see the impacts of climate change around us every day. The relentless increase of carbon dioxide measured at Mauna Loa is a stark reminder that we need to take urgent, serious steps to become a more Climate Ready Nation.”

    https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/carbon-dioxide-now-more-than-50-higher-than-pre-industrial-levels

    I'm sure you can find blogging climate hobbyist to pretend the science isn't real, Jack.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whats more .. over last 25 year experiment in industrialization of China-Asia -- CO2 output has increased from 22 Billion tons/yr to 36 Billion ton's/year. more than a 50% increase over this period.

    And the added bonus .. is that this came with a massive increase to ocean pollution .. now the number 1 Enviro Threat .. being more imminent than warming..

    We have the Biden Blue enviro Policy to thank for this -- "Not in my back Yard - Dump it in the Ocean"
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Again, what caused it?
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    I have to chuckle at how climate alarmists will name some event then blame humans for causing it without ZERO proof.

    The Temps are higher: climate change.

    There is a drought: climate change

    The Kardashians are unhappy: climate change.

    And they think this is science! :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Every time something happens it's climate change. We get to betrayed it's climate change we get not enough rain it's climate change we get the right amount of rain it's climate change at this point who gives a ****. You people are going to freak out about everything that happens no matter what and it doesn't matter.

    You've cried wolf like 355,972 times. Stop believing you way back years ago.
     
  8. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    A leading climatologist has already debunked it.
    Is the Southwest U.S. Experiencing a Megadrought Fueled by Global Warming?

    During the past week, many major media websites have headlined a study by some UCLA researchers suggesting that the Southwest U.S. is in a megadrought--the worst in 1200 years-- and that global warming is the prime cause.

    To illustrate, below is the front page of the LA Times. And the Seattle Times highlighted the megadrought claims as well.

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    Unfortunately, there are some major problems with this study and many of the hyperbolic claims--as I will explain below.
    The US Southwest has clearly experienced a dry spell recently, but global warming (a.k.a. climate change) is only a minor contributor compared to natural variability. Decadal dry periods are not unusual or unknown for the U.S. Southwest. They have happened many times before during periods when human-caused climate change could not be the origin. . . .
     
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    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    There most certainly is.

    That's not CO2 theory. CO2 theory is the hypothesis that the earth's temperature is primarily governed by atmospheric CO2, and that increased CO2 has been the principal cause of increased global temperature over the last century. As I explained before, contrary to your claims, showing that CO2 has increased is not support for CO2 theory. Showing that temperature has increased is likewise not support for CO2 theory. Even showing that CO2 has increased over the same period of time that temperature has increased is not support for CO2 theory; it's nothing but a post hoc fallacy.
    Your blatant post hoc fallacy is most definitely not real science.
     
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    This "study" has already been debunked, and I will explain why it is garbage in terms even you should be able to understand.

    Notice the cherry-picked definition: drier periods lasting less than 20 years are simply excluded and don't count as "megadroughts." At the same time, for obvious statistical reasons, longer droughts have not been quite as dry on average, so they are "not as dry" as the past 22 years. It's just obvious propaganda.

    You could get a similar statistical "anomaly" by looking at the most recent 1200 numbers on a roulette table: define an "odd megadrought" as any sequence of 20 or more numbers that has <1/3 odd; a 20-number sequence with 1/4 odd numbers might be the "worst odd megadrought" even if there is a 15-number sequence with only 1/5 odd (as long as the 5 numbers before and after are mostly even), or a 30-number sequence with 1/3 odd, as long as there is no 20-number sequence within it that has only 1/4 odd.

    Do you understand how the trick is worked?
    You misspelled "debunk."
     
  11. Jack Hays

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    No need to deny anything. Everyone agrees atmospheric CO2 has increased. But that only matters if you believe that CO2 drives climate, and I don't. And you notice your cited scientist doesn't address that.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Glacier collapses in Italian Alps, killing at least six

    ROME (Reuters) -Parts of a mountain glacier collapsed in the Italian Alps on Sunday amid record temperatures, local authorities said, killing at least six people and injuring eight.

    The Trento provincial government said rescue operations were in progress after a large "ice avalanche" involving hikers, adding that there was likely to be a "heavy toll".

    The avalanche took place on the Marmolada, which at more than 3,300 metres is the highest mountain in the Dolomites, a range in the eastern Italian Alps straddling the regions of Trento and Veneto.

    https://www.aol.com/news/glacier-collapses-italian-alps-least-155216595-180202325.html
     
  13. Lee Atwater

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    Totally untrue. Wildfires, based on acres burned, have declined. Hurricane frequency and extreme hurricane frequency has reduced. "Doing something" for the almost-comprehensible climate is self-destructive.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Texas grid operator tells residents to curb power as heat hits record highs

    Texas’ grid operator is warning residents to conserve energy for the second time this year, as fears mount over potential rolling blackouts amid scorching temperatures this week.

    The Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which manages about 90% of the state’s electricity load, said that residents and businesses should turn up thermostats by at least one degree Fahrenheit and not use any major appliances between 2 p.m. and 8 p.m. Central time on Monday.

    The Texas regulator also projected a shortage in energy reserves on Monday “with no market solution available,” but said it does not expect systemwide outages. Less than 10% of wind power generation will be available on Monday, ERCOT said, further lowering the amount of available power in the state.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/11/erc...wer-use-as-extreme-heat-strains-the-grid.html

    Reality is not impressed by the pseudoscience of climate change deniers.
     
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    Perhaps you did not understand the point (it's hidden) that they're not getting much wind in their turbines. That's known as the "intermittency" problem.
    And then there's this pure propaganda paragraph:
    ". . . Climate change has triggered more frequent and intense disasters such as heat waves, drought and wildfires, which have forced more blackouts and overwhelmed some of the country’s infrastructure. Extreme weather has caused 67% more major power outages in the U.S. since 2000, according to an analysis by research group Climate Central. . . ."
     
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    Oh, really? "Record highs" since when? Measured how? The article claims heat "indexes" over 110 F, but a heat index is not the same as an actual thermometer reading. In fact, the 1930s were far hotter, with the following real records being set in July 1936, before CO2 could possibly have been a significant factor:

    Indiana: 116°F (Collegeville, July 14)
    Iowa*: 117°F (Atlantic and Logan, July 25)
    Kansas: 121°F (Fredonia, July 18, and Alton, July 24)
    Maryland: 109°F (Cumberland and Frederick, July 10)
    Michigan: 112°F (Mio, July 13)
    Minnesota: 114°F (Moorhead, July 6)
    Missouri: 118°F (Clinton, July 15, and Lamar, July 18 )
    Nebraska: 118°F (Hartington, July 17, and Minden, July 24)
    New Jersey: 110°F (Runyon, July 10)
    North Dakota: 121°F (Steele, July 6)
    Oklahoma: 120°F (Alva, July 18, and Altus, July 19)
    Pennsylvania: 111°F (Phoenixville, July 10)
    West Virginia: 112°F (Martinsburg, July 10)
    Wisconsin: 114°F (Wisconsin Dells, July 13)

    https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/North-Americas-Most-Intense-Heat-Wave-July-and-August-1936

    You will notice that these temperatures are not only higher -- in some cases much higher -- than the "record" currently being claimed for Texas, but many of them occurred not in the South, where such temperatures were routine in the 1930s, but in northern tier states like MN, MI, WI, and ND.

    Reality is not impressed by the pseudoscience of climate change deniers -- i.e., anti-fossil-fuel hysteria mongers who deny the fact that the climate has been changing naturally in very similar ways for billions of years.
     
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    Fruitnet reported, "British growers are predicting their largest-ever apricot crop this summer.

    "According to Tesco – which reports that this year’s bumper harvest hits shelves this week, selling at £1.50 per punnet – the English apricot harvest will reach 250 tons this season."

    "A decade ago, production was 40 tons. Carbon dioxide and better management leave the Brits up to their pits in apricots."

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    Get used to it!
     
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    Florida went 10 years without a single hurricane making landfall between 05 and 15.

    The United States as a whole went 11 years without a major hurricane.

    The whole "more extreme weather" claim falls flat.
     
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    European cities set all-time temperature records amid unrelenting heat wave
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/14/weather/western-europe-heat-wave-wildfires-intl/index.html

    New records have been set as temperatures topped 40 degrees Celsius (104 degrees Fahrenheit) across much of Spain and Portugal Wednesday amid a persistent heat wave across western Europe.

    In northwest Spain, the city of Ourense set its all-time temperature record of 43.2 degrees Celsius (109.76 degrees Fahrenheit) on Tuesday, according to Spain’s meteorological agency, AEMET.

    On Wednesday, Zamora set its own record after reaching 41.1 degrees Celsius (105.98 degrees Fahrenheit), according to climate statistician Max Herrera. Soria set a record of 38.7 degrees Celsius (101.66 degrees Fahrenheit) that same day.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How does carbon dioxide trap heat?
    You’ve probably already read that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases act like a blanket or a cap, trapping some of the heat that Earth might have otherwise radiated out into space. That’s the simple answer. But how exactly do certain molecules trap heat? The answer there requires diving into physics and chemistry.

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    Simplified diagram showing how Earth transforms sunlight into infrared energy. Greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane absorb the infrared energy, re-emitting some of it back toward Earth and some of it out into space. Credit: A loose necktie on Wikimedia Commons

    When sunlight reaches Earth, the surface absorbs some of the light’s energy and reradiates it as infrared waves, which we feel as heat. (Hold your hand over a dark rock on a warm sunny day and you can feel this phenomenon for yourself.) These infrared waves travel up into the atmosphere and will escape back into space if unimpeded.

    Oxygen and nitrogen don’t interfere with infrared waves in the atmosphere. That’s because molecules are picky about the range of wavelengths that they interact with, Smerdon explained. For example, oxygen and nitrogen absorb energy that has tightly packed wavelengths of around 200 nanometers or less, whereas infrared energy travels at wider and lazier wavelengths of 700 to 1,000,000 nanometers. Those ranges don’t overlap, so to oxygen and nitrogen, it’s as if the infrared waves don’t even exist; they let the waves (and heat) pass freely through the atmosphere.
     
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    Wrong again. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/debunk
     

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