Hillary Clinton 2024

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  1. Trixare4kids

    Trixare4kids Well-Known Member

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    Trump won't win the primaries, so how are the Republicans going to run him? IF Trump decides to run, he'll steal votes from other Republicans, and that paves the way for DeSantis as the party's candidate.
     
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    I do not think Trump really plans to run, but time will tell
     
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    Harris is still young. Why not her? :)
     
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    Mainly because independents which comprise 43% of the electorate according to Gallup, dislike her more than Trump. 62% of independents have an unfavorable view of Harris vs. 58% unfavorable for Trump. Even Democrats don’t like Harris as her early exit from the democratic primaries, even before the primaries began shows. The highest she reached in the polls was 4% among the 9 contenders before she withdrew.

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/uhxw71f4tf/econTabReport.pdf

    I know why independents don’t like Trump with his egotistical, obnoxious, rude, uncouth persona along with his very unpresidential behavior. His childish antics like name calling and throwing of temper tantrums along with Trump’s 3rd grade schoolyard bullying tactics. He’s an easy man to dislike. Harris, I haven’t figured out why she is disliked so much outside it must have something to do with her personality. Maybe because Harris was a tough California AG which turned Democrats off. Your guess is as good as mine.

    Harris would be another Hillary Clinton waiting to happen to the Democrats in 2024. Hillary lost to Trump in 2016 because independents disliked her more than Trump. Harris would be in that same boat, the more disliked candidates. History shows that folks usually don’t vote for someone they dislike.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

    I don’t think it would be a good idea to nominate someone who would be more disliked than any Republican candidate for the presidency. But as I said, that’s up to the democrats, not this swing voter.
     
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    This all begs the question of what voters were thinking when they cast their votes for the Biden ticket. The primary purpose of a VP is to step in in the event of something happening to the POTUS. With a man in Biden's age bracket the risk of just dying from natural causes are higher than others. Add to that his apparent clumsiness ( ) and the risk factor goes up. If Harris isn't ready for the position in 2024, then she's not ready for it now. Voting for the Biden ticket was therefore putting our country at risk of not having a competent leader in an increasingly unstable world. So, I ask again -- What the hell is wrong with the minds of those who voted for the Biden ticket?
     
  6. gringo

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    Michael Bennet...from colorado
     
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    Good choice, he might not win his re-election in Colorado.
     
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    he sure like Ted Cruz

     
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    Mainly, they wanted to get rid of Trump. Keep in mind, no one or just a few ever base their presidential vote on the VP. Back to independents, they voted 54-41 Biden over Trump after in 2016 going for Trump 46-42 over Clinton with 12% voting third party against both major party candidates. One needs to note while Trump was receiving but 41% of the swing voters, independents vote in 2020, Republican congressional candidate received 48% of the independent vote, Republican governor candidates 51% of the independent vote, Republican senate candidates 52% of the independent vote. Which leads to my conclusion that 2020 was a rejection of Trump, but not the Republican Party. 2020 was neither an endorsement nor rejection of either major party’s agenda, political philosophy or ideology. Just a rejection of Trump. Although you’ll find few that will ever admit this.


    I also find it interesting that those who vote against a candidate, not for a candidate, but against, anyone, any name or candidate would do as long as it wasn’t the candidate they were voting against, Biden won those voters 68-30 over Trump. They weren’t voting for Biden, just against Trump. Amazingly approximately 7 million people voted for Biden, more accurately against Trump, then voted Republican down ballot. That’s one heck of a lot of ticket splitters. This is something that the Republicans need to keep in mind if they want to win in 2024.


    https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results


    https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls


    I don’t know why Biden chose Harris, she from California, she wouldn’t bring along a swing state into his column. California was going Democratic no matter who Biden chose. Biden’s choice of Harris made no sense to me. But that doesn’t mean Harris isn’t competent, it just means she’s disliked. Let’s face it, presidential elections, especially to many independents is nothing more than a beauty contest, a popularity contest. They vote their likes and dislikes of the individual candidates.
     
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    Impressive response, although I'm going to have to disagree with one minor point. When saying the voters rejected Trump that's too broad a reason. Narrowing it down I would say the single factor that did Trump in was his handling of covid. It was a crisis that Biden's campaign capitalized on. If not for covid I think Trump most likely would have won. Biden would not be able to hide out in his basement letting the MSM attack Trump for the way he was handling the covid crisis. It was a brilliant strategy - politically.

    Biden (or rather his handlers) chose Harris because all the boxes were checked by her. Woman - check. Black - check. Biden (and the Democrats in general) love identity politics. It's been a winning game for them and this was the perfect time to play it. If Hillary had not decided to sit it out this time she would definitely be the nominee despite what some say about the baggage she carries. The Democrats don't care so much about qualifications as much as they do with quota fulfillment. To get the first woman (and especially a black one) in the seat of POTUS would be a major victory for them. Harris turned out to be a disappointment for them simply because she failed to deliver the goods qualitatively. If she could be credited with two or more achievements her stock might rise, but sometimes it seems Biden wants her to fail.

    I think you underestimate the importance of the role the VP plays in the choice of voters. Sure, it's not the most pressing thing on their minds, but nevertheless voters consider the choice indicative of the judgement of the top of the ticket. Yet, perhaps you're right. Maybe this time none of it mattered because of Trump and that damn covid crisis. People wanted an end to it and were convinced, not by Biden, but the MSM that Trump didn't know what he was doing about it and that was a scary thought.
     
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    You may believe COVID, Trump’s handling of it didn’t help. But I think it was Trump’s personality. Certainly not of presidential quality. Independents didn’t like Trump from the get-go. In 2016 they disliked Hillary more than Trump, but still gave Trump a 57% unfavorable rating. In 2018 when Independents voted for Democratic congressional candidates 54-42 over Republican congressional candidates, Trump’s unfavorable rating among independents was at 58%. 2020 it was up to 60%. It wasn’t Trump’s policies that turned independents against him, he never had them. On Trump’s policies independents were for some, against some, evenly split. It was Trump the man they disliked, the individual, the person and this showed in the 2020 election.


    Who did Trump lose to? An old, bland, uninspiring candidate with basically no personality. One that stayed in his basement rather than hit the campaign trail. I think almost any other Republican would have trounced Biden. No way to prove that since it never happened. Staying in the basement was a very smart campaign strategy. Biden let Trump be Trump, he let Trump remind folks why they disliked him while staying hidden not giving the people a chance to either get to like him or dislike him. Biden more or less was saying vote for me because I’m not Trump. That worked.


    I’d say you’re probably correct on Harris. But the Democrats sure could have done a lot better. I think Biden went with Harris to shore up the black vote, it didn’t work. Trump received 12% of the black vote in 2020, that the highest percentage of the black vote any Republican presidential candidate received since Gerald Ford got 15% in 1976.
     
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    I preferred Susan Rice and NOT Kamala Harris

    choosing Harris has been Bidens biggest mistake

    kinda like when McCain chose Sarah Palin
     
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    I doubt she runs. This is her way of maintaining relevance for a few more years. I mean if forced with a gun to my head, I suppose I would vote for her over any republican, but otherwise I couldn't see myself supporting her or the GOP. I will go green or libertarian or stay at home.
     
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    She ain't running. Heck - she can't even walk, much less run. She sorta slides. I wonder who cleans up the slime trail she leaves behind her?
     
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    Our political establishment has zero imagination. It will be Biden vs Trump in 2024, and at 4am the morning after the election, there will be no abnormalities.

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    Yes. Younger. New Vision.

    Dems' Senate nominee in Pennsylvania hasn't campaigned for two months

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    "The deadline in Pennsylvania for replacing a candidate on the ballot is August."
     
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    I believe the big thing is they chose to run an idiot, Susan Rice is a bigger commie
     
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    Yeah but she would have been a competent one. She would be able to give speeches and answer reporter questions at least.
     
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    I laughed. Really. Thanks. The irony of this post... Denial... sweet.
     
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    Huh?
    Denial of What? That doesn't even make sense...
    What is being "denied"? Exactly?
    Sorry, if I am assuming that there is an actual reason for this post...
    Did I miss Hill's Campaign Kickoff Event?
    One actually thinks that Hilary is going to run in 2024?
    One finds Hillary Running again in '24 to be Likely?
    And, that strikes one as "ironic"?
    Cool...
     
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    They the local commies have done a couple of news story about Rice, she has some Maine roots I guess
     
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    If Democrats had any intelligent self-awareness at all, they'd nominate someone with some fugging COMMON SENSE... and Joe Manchin comes immediately to mind! They could team him up with a lockstep-liberal party 'regular', like Amy Klobuchar, and galvanize their party. It would be even brighter for them if they'd push the 'woke' crud out to stage-right and project an image that isn't stupidly radical, America-hating, and trading endlessly on welfare handouts....

    Klobuchar has one foot firmly embedded in the Leftist-liberal faction of the Democrat Party, and mostly one foot in what remains of the 'moderate' wing of the party. At any rate, love her or hate her (and I'm certainly no 'fan'), she has one thing that the Democrat Party sorely needs right now -- real INTELLIGENCE.

    But, it won't break my heart to see Hillary run! Well... it may be more like pushing a 'walker', but whatever.... If she runs, she'll end up in the trash-dump of defeat... again! :w00t:
     
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    Senate's a difficult lift for the GOP. We need 3 of these 5.

    PA, GA, WI, AZ, NV

    Recent polling - Looks to me to give Dems the edge.

    GA - Warnock +10
    PA - Fetterman +4
    WI - Pre-Primary (+2 - +3)
    AZ - Pre-Primary (+14-+17
    NV - Laxalt +7

    https://www.270towin.com/polls/latest-2022-senate-election-polls/
     

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