Why don't we admit the obvious and split the country into two?

Meet January 6th.

 

where can you live where abortion is legal an hour before birth?

 

CA or any other state with no restrictions. What’s the difference between 7 months, a month before or an hour? Neither are alive, right? It’s not a baby right? It’s her body right? What’s the difference. Just a clump of cells.

A better question is who in the US is unable to get an abortion? The answer is no one. EVERYONE can get an abortion if the want it or need it. Might be much more convenient for some than others but a few hours car ride and bam, done.

Im pro-choice by the way, with restrictions….what most logical people are. The extremes are the crazy ones.

 

I think that's the realistic choice. Personally- knowing that most abortions are given deep and serious consideration, that is must be the woman's choice. As to limits, the point of viability is when the child's life could be independent of the mothers, usually around 6 months- so I'd think barring third trimester is rational and reasonable, other than in medical emergency. But the last person qualified to make that choice- is a man not involved.

 

Two what?

 

This is simply not true. Can you give me an actual state where you can kill a baby as its' coming out of the womb, full term? The answer is not CA. Their limit is 26 weeks, unless the mother's life is in danger.

 

OR... We could have 50 individual states that make their own laws through elected officials...

 

I'm surprised you have not googled this by now but OK.


Alaska

Colorado

New Hampshire

New Jersey

New Mexico

Oregon

Vermont

New York

 

I was being facetious, like when Leftists say women can’t get an abortion or their rights are being infringed. 26 weeks in CA? But if someone In CA wanted to get an abortion after that WHAT THEN? Isn’t that insane forcing her to have the baby? Seems Leftists are not giving women rights over their bodies?? Some Women seem to think they can have an abortion whenever they want. You might have to educate them. Her body her choice. Why is CA not allowing a woman to have an abortion whenever she wants? Her body her choice? Sounds pretty horrible, not giving them the right to do what they want when they want? What not let them abort whenever they want? It’s not really a baby or a human right?

So name a state where someone can’t get an abortion if the mothers life is in danger? Anyone can get an abortion when needed if they truly need it. That’s the point. No one rights have been stolen. And if you need to drive a few hrs, certainly not the end of someone’s life. Women aren’t being killed if they can’t get an abortion whenever and wherever, unless you admit CA is killing women too?

 

As per usual the problem you don't want to deal with is that every state in this country is subdivided into some where between thirty and two hundred counties 5/6 of those voted for Trump in 2016.

That being said return to the constitution as originally intended and stop trying to micromanage the entire country out of DC.

 

What makes you think that? The opposite if far, far more logical.

 

Many years back I taught programs in personal growth, something now known as lifeskills. One of the groups that frequently came to my classes were abused women, and women in troubled relationships.
I had one who was a card-carrying anti abortonist. Bumper stickers, all that, and catholic. I watched her in particular, as she confided her struggle of decision regarding aborting a baby resulting from her abusive husband finding and raping here. She already had three children when the marriage was together, but the situation created many problems. One was support, as he as determined to destroy her, another her feeling she could never love such a child. After months of agonizing over it, she asked if I would drive her to a neighboring state to have it done.

It's easy to have a view of something when you have never been there- but when she found herself in this position, she still chose to do what she felt was necessary for her life to have a chance in the future.

I never an across a woman considering abortion casually. More like gut-wrenching considering all the issues, when no answer is good, but there must be a choice- and it affects them all their life. I once had a 90 year old woman telling me about the time in her youth when she had to make the choice. They don't forget like you think they do. They live with it all their lives, and it has consequences either way.

I have to respect that they, not I, will bear those consequences, and not add to the difficulty at hand for them.

 

I disagree. Wouldn't you agree that having an uplanned pregnancy is an irresponsible act? (assuming it is the result of a voluntary sexual act). Why do we expect a woman to behave responsibly in making the decision to have an abortion when it was an irresponsible act that got her there in the first place?

 

How about splitting it this way instead:

Country A - welfare statists

Country B - everyone else

It wouldn't take very long for Country A to collapse, given a welfare state requires a Country B to exist.

 

Yes, it is an irresponsible act. So are a great many of the bad decisions we make in life- but that doesn't mean you let the results of that decision rule the future. If you took a wrong turn, would you just keep going?
If you married the worst person in the world, would you refuse to get a divorce? (Many do, they think that is when a marriage has "failed". They're wrong, that is self-deception.)
If you ate the wrong mushrooms, would you refuse the treatment that could save your life?
We all make mistakes. You drive down the road, you make corrections for steering mistakes all the way. This just happens to be a very big one, and very expensive emotionally and spiritually.

A major factor which so many people ignore is that the quality of life is what matters. A life lived in poverty, fear, stress and and conflict is not worth living. It's not right to raise children in an environment that gives them no chance, either. In many countries- newborns have been killed because the family couldn't come up with the food to feed them. In cases of abortion, in the perception of the mother- a child at an inappropriate time can create a change in the potential of the future that will greatly diminish the potential of both mother and child, and be a life of great struggle or poverty and misery. That same person a few years later may be able to provide a totally different situation, and raise healthy, happy kids. It's not just the food of course- it's the total impact of timing and conditions, which may make it impossible to make a good living, to hold a job, to care for the child when you can't even care for yourself. I believe that the quality of life equates to the value of life, and creating a situation where quality will not exist- is a very bad decision.

Lots of conflicts here. Some say all life is precious- while eating a steak dinner; at the cost of the life of a cow. They see that differently, but chances are that the life of the cow was just as important to it as yours and mine are to us. However, we adjust our morals to place the life of our species above others. If we adjusted the perception of life to include and value the quality of it, we would have a chance to vastly improve our society. We have enough misery, and until we learn to not make mistakes, all we can do is try to correct what we must.

 

Of course. Some mistakes can't be corrected.

And what makes you think your second marriage decision would be any better than the first? There is a reason that second marriages are even more likely to result in a divorce than first marriages.

 

So you agree the red states cannot afford to live without the blue states?

 

You're spouting from a well known myth.

 

According to pp and Naral the two largest proabortion organizations only 8 % of abortions involve rape, incest, or the mother's health. There were exception for those in 70% of states before Roe.

 

Unless you are determined to remain foolish- you should be learning. Learning what love really is, what makes relationships succeed of fail, how to make yourself capable of success, how to recognize another person with that quality. If you fail to learn, you get to take the class over. Some learn quicker than others, some never learn.
I'll send you a PM on that.

 

Other way around. Welfare requires plenty of working stiffs.

 

Exactly. The blue states send money to red states, not the other way around.

 

Try it and see. Once the expensive (as in high maintenance) people in the red states realise what's happening, they'll move to the blue states.

When a state declares an end to welfare exploitation, you'll end up with all the exploiters on your side of the fence. Making the pace at which your side implodes, increase dramatically. It'll all be over within a year, when there's hardly anyone left to fund it all.

 

Most people dislike the confederacy because of slavery. And though it's a stretch to put that aside, if you do, one can't help but wonder if they had the right to secede.... and if we'd be better off if they had.

 

Yeah, probably simpler for states that are liberal and states that are conservative to form separate countries. And then politically inclined people can move if they want to within some kind of grace period in terms of citizenship, a grace period extending something like 5 years.