Trump Has A First Amendment Right To Say The Election Was Stolen

You actually have less of a right to say that about him than he does to claim the election was stolen. False statement of fact can be used against you in a defamation lawsuit. Trump has a legal right to say the election is stolen, even if it is not factually accurate, however if he were to make false statements of fact about a person or company's involvement in voter fraud, he could potentially be sued by said party for defemination. This wouldn't be a criminal thing, it would strictly be a civil case

However, I do agree with the OP in regards to holding Trump legally liable for the violence that ensued in relation to his claims about the election being stolen. Unless it could be proven that he knew his supporters would act out violently beforehand, I don't believe there is any legal ground whatsoever to hold him liable for the things he said beforehand.

 

Actually, that would be slander and you have no such right.

 

He isn't slandering American voters...lol

 

Sort of. First of all I'd like to say that I liked Bill Clinton. I voted for him the second time. And, he did the country really well in working with a Republican Congress and all of that really helped the deficits and fiscal responsibility. He's the last president who was able to do that. I think he did a great job as president and, believe it or not, I even voted for Al Gore because I thought things were going so well and I wanted that to continue. But, there is really solid evidence that he did, in fact, boink his intern and obstructed justice in trying to cover it all up. I mean that is just an all out undisputed fact. And, yes, Republicans did impeach him, pretty much knowing that the Senate would not remove him from office.

Now I also want to say that I did NOT vote for Trump in either the primaries or the general in 2016 (didn't vote for crooked Hillary either). I didn't like Trump. However, he did a decent job as president despite his personality but for the virus, which was not his fault. The virus invaded the entire world and still does to this day. No matter what places did to combat the virus, nothing really worked and could be used as a model. In 2020 I was forced to vote for Trump because I didn't want the democratic socialists/progressives destroying our country, as we have now seen the results of that. In 2024 I don't plan on voting for Trump in the primaries and pray that a different Republican will wind up being the nominee (I don't really care for Desantis).

In any event, all situations are different and Clinton's impeachment was at least due to real facts whereas these hearings and impeachments are full of the same ole same ole inuendos or trying to blow things way out of proportion or interpreting Trump's words or actions in the worst possible light for their political advantage, connecting dots the way democrats want to connect them.

To be honest, I don't remember paying much attention to Clinton's impeachment, just as I am not paying any attention to these political sham hearings.
In Nixon's case things were pretty much all cut and dry. He deserved everything he got.

 

I am not a lawyer, I hope this is legally correct:

I have the same evidence that Trump stole from me $100 millions as Trump has the evidence that the election were stolen. If I will go to court suing Trump the result will be the same as Trump got more than 50 times in the US courts.

 

The right of a person in his position is to say he thinks or believes the election was stolen, not that is was.

 

Talk about traitors, how about that guy, 45 !/2. He has totally disregarded the welfare and safty of this nation. We now have enough Fentenal and other drugs in the U.S. to kill every man,woman, and child. We even have enough to kill the he-she's and other confused types. He has done nothing to decrease gun violence in the U.S.. While he and his wife sit around and refer to mexicans as taco heads hundreds of American blacks are dying everyday in our cities. He is transporting illegals to cities all around America so that they can take away jobs from our citizens at cheaper wages, short changing our schools and social sytems that Americans rely on for a safety net. All ready there is a food shortage, baby formula shortage and a major gas and fuel shortage. Sorry but the real traitor to America is not Trump but to that guy who lives in a basement and when let out to read something from a teleprompter still screws it up. Meanwhile America suffers for his policies.

 

If you had the same preponderance of evidence- you would win in a flash. WHO makes the judgement controls the answer; we seem to have abandoned proof and replaced it with propaganda.
"Evidence" has become a very fluid thing, as has crime and punishment. There are people still in jail on charges of trespassing Jan 6th. There were people caught on video in the crowd that day promoting violence and entering the capitol... who are known but have never been visited or charged. There are people on video throwing molotov cocktails into businesses in Minneapolis- who have never been pursued, and the events labels "mostly peaceful protests". The justice system is in a crisis of credibility.

Joe is behind the massive distribution of illegals in the USA, who have not entered through the prescribed ports of entry and processes as required by law. He has harbored and transported these illegals- at taxpayer expense. US Code 1324a makes that a felony, and a lot of people are in jail for doing it. Joe... doesn't even have a commentator willing to go there. Political pressures determine when things are given a pass, and when you get your plow cleaned. Law and order- equal justice- are presently suspended. Read that law here, see if you can figure out why Joe's not in jail: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324.

Here's the first part of the law-

"
(a) Criminal penalties (1)
(A) Any person who—
(i)
knowing that a person is an alien, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien;
(ii)
knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law;
(iii)
knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;
(iv)
encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law; or
(v)
(I)
engages in any conspiracy to commit any of the preceding acts, or
(II)
aids or abets the commission of any of the preceding acts,
shall be punished as provided in subparagraph (B).
alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs—
(i)
in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i) or (v)(I) or in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(ii), (iii), or (iv) in which the offense was done for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both;
"

 

This post^^ is not what you think it is. It's a non sequitur deflection far from any cogent rebuttal.

 

He has the 1st Amendment right to say braindead bull ****. No one has said otherwise. The problem is what he tried to DO about his braindead bull ****. Surely you understand this. Please tell me you understand this.

 

Then why did he want to erase the votes of 5 entire states?

 

Was it hard to fit that many lies into one post?... I mean, they did assault the police, but tell you what, let's say I told an angry mob you screwed everything up and they need to fight like hell to stop you... then they break in into your place of work and scream about hanging you. They break past a barricade and then a security guard shoots one of them, thankfully. Would I have just been doing protected free speech inciting that mob? Would they have just been trespassing breaking past barricades and screaming about murdering you?

 

So when Democrat politicians and the MSM kept saying the police are racist, there is systemic racism everywhere and black peoples need to express themselves and rise up. Some used peaceful language. Others used much more obvious violent rhetoric. And then Millions of people burn down cities across the nation, murder people and police, were they not told to do it? Huh? Then our VP starts bailing them out of jail. Politicians lie and claim none of it was happening, our eyes are wrong or were blaming the KKK.

If you want to blame Trump, better be ready to blame most of Dems in Congress and a lot of the MSM for being the cause of 10s of Billions in damage and many murders and countless injured people and who knows how many lives ruined forever.

 

No. He concocted a scheme to stay in power and with the help of the Republican Party perpetrated a fraud on the United States.

There wasn’t massive voting fraud. The “big lie” began before a vote was cast or counted.The riot was not only a product of the scheme but part of it. An orchestrated last ditch effort to cling to power that included like-minded sitting Representatives and Senators.

This isn’t only about Trump but the rot within our system.

The J6 Commission is tasked with fostering legislation to insure this coup attempt can’t occur again. Albeit, how do they implement effective legislation when a third of our Representatives were in on the attempt?

If past is prologue we’ll yet again embrace our death by a thousand cuts suicide pact. The elites will evade responsibility and the unwitting will go to jail as well those that mistakenly believe they’re elites like Eastman, Clark, Bannon, etc.

 

Trump has a first amendment right to say the election was stolen. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Besides, Democrats said for years that the 2016 election was stolen.

 

For them that’s their bottom line….

 

He also has a constitutional right (same 1st amendment) to petition his government.

 

Now I understand. Trump went to court over 50 times and each time judges (some nominated by Trump) found there is no evidence on the massive fraud. Also Attorney General William Barr (nominated by Trump), Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, both Republicans, Chris Krebs, a lifelong Republican appointed by Trump to run the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), Cyber Ninja GOP-backed recount in Maricopa County , Christopher A. Wray, Director of the FBI (Appointed by President Trump) – none of then found any evidence of a massive election fraud.
Trump milked his supporters out of $250 million dollars promising he will use this money to cover legal cost fighting the election steal, but somehow he is not fighting in courts.
And Trump convinced you that he has the evidence, but “WHO makes the judgement controls the answer; we seem to have abandoned proof and replaced it with propaganda. Evidence" has become a very fluid thing, as has crime and punishment. “.

The man is a GENIUS! If there was a Nobel Prize for outstanding snake oil salesmen he would receive at least 5 medals!

 

True…Trump does have every right to act like a petulant child. Just as people have a right to hold his actions against him. This ain’t no one-way street.

 

No rational man needs any evidence from Trump on the election- what happened was totally obvious to anyone with a working brain and a sense of justice.

 

In other words, Presidents should be elected by "feels" not evidence or votes ... why not just declare trump king appointed by God?


**** that noise, dude.

 

Yes…evidence is just so overrated. Who needs evidence when we can just use emotions to prove things? Amiright???

 

I noticed an error in your sentence, the correct sentence is:
No gullible man needs any evidence from Trump on the election- what happened was totally obvious to anyone who loves and trusts Trump.
Here is how gullible men who loves and trusts Trump should think:

 

Can you post anything that shows anyone has denied he is entitled to Freedom of Speech?

Freedom of Speech does not mean what you apparently think it does.

This is the same argument as saying those of us that voted to fire him just did so because of "mean tweets".

 

If the Dems could have their way and remove the electoral college and go to majority rule it could be possible. One has too be careful for what they wish for.