All young gay women, and a few gay men, thinking about 'trans' should watch this video

Ha! If there is one thing you are unable to do, is educate me on a subject that you really know nothing about. As far as proving you wrong, that's ridiculously easy.

How Is Body Dysmorphic Disorder Treated?

Any mention of amputations?

Body dysmorphic disorder

Any mention of amputations?

Is there any US hospital chain or medical practice that authorizes the use of amputations for body dysmorphia? And again, you still have not shown even ONE state where it's legal. Your obsession on this is bizarre. I honestly don't know what to make of someone who is supportive of this.

Very strange.

 

And this counters the NIH showing that the treatment does work how? Simply because not everyone offers it or will talk about it does not negate the fact coming out of the NIH. Link is in post #152

Goal post shifting again. So tell me, where would one look specifically to determine if any given hospital or medical practice offers that. But it's obvious that some do somewhere. How else was the NIH able to obtain the data that the treatment works.

I've shown where it is legal in all states, by pointing out that there is no law in any state making it illegal. Now prove me wrong by finding a law. Even so, the existence of only one law in one state making it illegal would not prove your point. The majority would have to have it illegal before it could be considered "barbaric" by the standards of society as your presented it.

I agree. It is very strange to want to relieve a person from what they are suffering and to use a procedure that has been shown to work to do it. I find your obsession to force a person to suffer because of your sensibilities to be the truly bizarre bit.

See here is the difference between us. I don't want for a BIID or GD patient to have an amputation. I want for a BIID or GD patient to be able to choose whatever it is they need to end or lessen their suffering as long as it does not harm a person other than themselves. I am just as happy if they choose not to get an amputation as if they choose to get one. You on the other hand are obsessed with what others do that does not affect anyone else, and wish for them to suffer, just because the procedure that will relieve their suffering makes you squeamish. Something tells me that you are with @kazenatsu on a lot of his views, especially when it comes to controlling others.

 

The issue is in their mind. Sorry, you know it is not as simple as that.

This is a cosmetic surgical procedure - one that will be very life changing and difficult to reverse.

 

And yet it works in most or the cases where the other methods have not. That is what you two keep ignoring. Is it the ideal solution? I'll go as far as to say no. But it's what works best at this time. And right now I am covering both the treatments of BIID and GD. Also, as the material I have presented on both indicates, these are the final step procedures, when other procedures have failed. It's an opponents' myth that people with these conditions go straight to the surgical option. Yes maybe someday we can have other procedures that work better such that we do not need to do these particular treatments anymore. But until that time, you are left with two choices: The radical procedure that actually works in relieving the condition or the symptoms thereof, or leaving them to suffer and likely go suicidal.

 

You falsely posted that all 50 states allow amputation for body dysmorphia, and I'm trying to give you another way to to prove your ridiculous contention. However if you don't want to do it, or can't, I understand.

 

How did I falsely post that? If you can find a law that makes it illegal, since one is not needed to make it legal, then by all means show it and be done. Until a law can be shown to make it illegal, it is legal. For every state that you cannot find a law making the procedure illegal, that is a state where it is legal.

 

You posted a list of all fifty states that you said amputation for body dysmorphia was legal. That was false.

 

Cool, so I'm assuming you have a list of states that outlaw the practice.

 

You think I'm the one making the case that amputation is a treatment for body dysmorphia?

 

How?

 

No you're the one making the case that amputation as a treatment for BIID is illegal, but can't provide one state where that is so. That's because there is no law making it illegal in any state. Without such a law, then the procedure is, by default, legal.

 

You said that it's false to claim that all 50 states allow the practice. So I assume you have a study or link on hand that list all of the states that doesn't allow it.

 

???

 

I think we've come all the way around on this issue, and now you think it's up to me to prove that it's illegal, when you can't even show where in the US it's being routinely performed.

 

Nobody claimed it was routinely preformed. In fact @Maquiscat and I stated several times via links and our own input that it is a last resort in such cases. Why should I prove where it is legal when you fail to provide states where it's not? You're the one going against medical consensus, therefore it's up to you to illustrate to us why we should take your word over the studies and research of those who spent years in the field.

 

It's not been claimed to be routinely performed. Strawman. The claim is then when performed, it is effective in relieving the symptoms of BIID or GD, referring to their respective procedures. Even among transgenders, only 25-35% of them actually get the SRS. The rest have their GD alleviated through other treatments.

As to legal/illegal, in order for it to be illegal, there has to be a law making it illegal. In order for it to be legal, there simply needs to be a law. If there is not a law that makes the procedure illegal, then it is by default legal. How do you not comprehend this? This is Jr High Civics material. The closest to proof that we can put up is to link to each and every state's legal code and then say, "See? Not there, not illegal." Thus we have proved that it is legal, unless you can actually provide a law that shows it illegal, in turn proving us wrong.

Here I'll help you out:
Texas legal statutes
There you go! Proved that it is legal in Texas.

 

If you don't want to prove that it's legal, or even being done anywhere in the US, that's fine. Then you are arguing over nothing then.

 

I'm actually just enjoying you championed a barbaric practice. Keep going!

 

And we're enjoying watching you announcing that you would rather have people suffer then have the suffering relieved because of your squeamishness. As noted, open heart surgery was claimed as barbaric when it was first done. We've got history on our side. What do you have? Oh yeah, myths and opinions.

We've already proven that it's legal by the lack of laws making it illegal. What more do you want? We can't produce a law saying it's legal because that is not how law works, no matter how much you want it to.
As to the practice being done:

That is from the National Institute of Health, a US agency. This shows both that the procedure is being done (otherwise how do they know that the subjects scored significantly lower?) AND that it works! Which also means that the medical community as a whole does not consider it barbaric. That would be your medically uneducated opinion. Such surgeries are successful when all other options have failed. Which also means that all other options are tried first. But do keep going. It's fun watching you deny facts and reality. Oh and failing to support your arguments! Do you even have one link in this whole thread supporting your claims?

 

Who deemed open heart surgery barbaric?

 

It's a myth that this works. Also it would only apply to people with gender dysphoria not to people who aren't suffering from that condition. I think the problem is most people have is projecting that condition on the children that do not have it or have only acquired it through adults projecting it onto them.

When a kid plays dress up or with various toys associated with boys or girls or things of that nature they're not expressing dysphoria with their gender they're being children and to reject this fad on to them is child abuse and it should be illegal.

Any doctor prescribing castration drugs to a child should not only have their license to practice medicine permanently revoked but should be facing jail time. Any parent of a child that has been taught to believe they are really a boy and a girl's body should be investigated by CPS.

 

I will see what I can find in the way of support articles, but at one point it was considered barbaric to cut open a person as a medical procedure. After all cutting them open is what you did with a knife or sword to kill them. Hell they didn't even want to cut open cadavers for the longest time to see what the inside of a human body really looked like. I did find this on an initial search:
https://listverse.com/2016/07/12/10-barbaric-medical-procedures-still-practiced-today/
https://www.livescience.com/55667-barbaric-medical-treatments-still-used.html

However, I noticed that you avoided everything else. Probably because it was proved to be a legal and used practiced procedure.

 

The idea that at one point it was considered barbaric for a doctor to cut into a person makes me think you don't don't what surgery is. You really went down the wrong path there but I welcome you to try to compare corpse stealing to surgery being barbaric.

And no, it has not been proved to be legal. That's what I've been asking about. As for your study, it was an internet study. There is literally no way to confirm anything in the study since it was based on anonymous self reporting. It's understandable that someone simple would be confused by that, but what I can't phantom is why someone would be such an enthusiastic proponent of hacking limbs off as treatment for a mental illness? That kind of desire sounds psychotic in itself.

Sorry but it's hard to not draw the conclusion that someone who obsessively supports body mutilation to treat a mental issue is not in some way disturbed themselves.

 

Thank you for supporting my point. Early medical practitioners who were the pioneers in internal surgery (as opposed to surgery like amputations and such) had to resort to corpse stealing in order to do their studies and open up bodies to see what the insides really looked like. It took a while before people realized that cutting to the insides to fix something was a good thing.

To be legal, there has to be a LACK of law making it illegal. So unless you can show me a law that makes it illegal, it is legal. Do you not understand how law works?

Dude most of medicine is self reporting.
Patient: I feel pain here and here.
Doctor: Here take this medicine. (later) Do you still feel pain?
Patient: No, it's gone.

Without self reporting most things in medicine could not get done. Especially since it's the self reporting of symptoms that allows the doctor to diagnose what the problem is.

 

You are a mess of confusion. You said surgery, not autopsies of corpses.

All states have laws against assault of varying degrees. Chopping off someone's limbs certainly falls within that, even if the victim was asking for it. I'm pretty sure most DA's wouldn't buy that.

We're talking about a study that you tried to pass off as a scientific study, so no medical studies are not mostly "self reporting."