Speaker Pelosi Going To Taiwan Is A Premeditated Offense!

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  1. JimfromPennsylvania

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    Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is making an epic and catastrophic blunder going to Taiwan! Speaker Pelosi has good intentions she was early to visit Ukraine after the Russian invasion which commenced on February 24 bolstering support for Ukraine and she often takes actions to support human rights, to a significant degree she is a lot like the former Senator John McCain who because of his heroic life was able to travel the world as an ambassador for democracy and human rights. But good intentions don't always translate into wise actions; during the Iraq war after Saddam Hussein was overthrown Paul Bremer the head of the provisional authority who was a dedicated public servant had good intentions in disbanding the then Iraq army which had the practical consequence of creating a lot of unemployed Iraqi soldiers in desperate need for an income which resulted in them joining the insurgency and ending up costing a lot of U.S. soldiers their lives and limbs. During the Afghanistan war the U.S. authorities responsible for building needed infrastructure for Afghanistan had good intentions paying for security, not a security payroll but a contract fee for security mind you, for road and utility projects so they could be built but the practical effect was that the U.S. government was in fact funding the Taliban.

    The practical effect of Speaker Pelosi's visit to Taiwan will be catastrophic, America's interest will be hurt and hurt truly badly. The Chinese embassy in Washington has told the U.S. government that the Speaker should not make this trip that it will be viewed as a serious transgression by China, the Chinese Foreign ministry has said the same thing and in fact the President of China, President Xi Jinping, in this phone call with President Biden last week was reported to be more emphatic about the stakes when he said "when you play with fire don't be surprised if you get burned"!

    Speaker Pelosi is a smart lady who in this instance is acting mind boggling stupid she is not fully considering who she is dealing with that is the Communist Chinese government. People are characterizing this issue as a matter where Chinese face is on the line here; that the Chinese Congress will be occurring this fall where Xi Jinping will be seeking an unprecedented third term as President of China and so he cannot let the insult of the person second in line to the Presidency of the United States, China's principle adversary, visit what China believes is an errant province (Taiwan) that is not properly submitting to the authority of China, this great insult cannot go unaddressed it must be met with a severe penalty to the country, the United States, responsible for this insult. But I think that this analysis only begins the full analysis here; the communist Chinese government has a long history of retaliation against what it perceives as transgressions by other parties. President Trump issued tariffs to try to reduce the massive trade deficit the U.S. runs with China and what did China do it issued retaliatory tariffs; the United States blocked and advocated against the Chinese telecom company Huawei from being permitted to build telephone system because the Chinese government on most important matters is zero trustworthy and would involve itself with Huawei violating American security and privacy and what did China do it blocked U.S. chip maker Qualcomm from acquiring NXP in response, the U.S. government said that Chinese companies listed on U.S. stock exchanges must cooperate with U.S. audits so investors can know their sound and their financial statement are accurate or they will get delisted and what did the Chinese government do it started creating obstacles to Chinese companies listing on U.S. exchanges. One can cite examples like this galore!

    A prudent person would conclude that one can be guaranteed that if Speaker Pelosi makes this trip to Taiwan the Chinese government will retaliate and retaliate big! The politics/economics commentator, Thomas Friedman, in the New York Times yesterday wrote in an Op-ed that the Pelosi trip is utterly reckless and he floated the option that China could retaliate by giving arms to Russia to conduct its invasion war against Russia. This will be catastrophic for the U.S. and the Ukrainian people if this happens because this will cost the lives and health of an abundance of virtuous Ukrainian men and women in uniform these admirable people who are just trying to preserve their country acting a lot like our ancestors did approximately 250 years ago in our War of Independence! The Russian government has expended a lot of its best military assets in this invasion of Ukraine war and is grappling with filling this loss; just last week I was reading how the Russian army during this war has lost a lot of its modern artillery guns and is now forced to use old artillery weapons. The Chinese army is a cutting edge modern army with an abundance of modern weapon systems if they throw their arsenal doors open to Vladimir Putin and his Russian Generals that will spell tragedy beyond words for the Ukrainian people. The Ukrainian military is greatly admirable for its heart and its wise use of limited resources but the truth of the matter is that they are really struggling to stop the Russians from conquering the balance of province of Donetsk and achieving the last of Putin's war objectives and the Ukrainian counteroffensive to free Kherson so Ukraine can get its agricultural export industry from the Black Sea to somewhat the level that existed prior to the war; if China puts its finger on the scale here being a big supplier of weapons for Russia one must conclude it spells doom for the Ukrainian people!

    Democrat members of Congress should conduct a conference call with Speaker Pelosi and plead with her not to make this trip to Taiwan! The only thing that will come from this is great harm to America, America will be burned badly! And why, what is the reason so Ms. Nancy Pelosi can feel like she is a great ambassador for democracy and peace in the world; it is selfish beyond words if Speaker Pelosi makes this trip plus it shows the incompetency and dysfunction of the U.S. government, specifically the Democrat government in Washington, that it would carry out this self-inflicted wound on America especially when so many people are giving the Democrat Party a heads up, notification that a colossal mistake is being made here!
     
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    Shouldn't this be in the opinion section?
     
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    Probably the 'bot' section.
     
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    An offense to whom? The Chinese? Why should Pelosi, or any of us, give a crap about Chinese hurt feelings? Screw 'em.
     
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    She is only interested in TSMC.
     
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    It does souls like it came from a communist Chinese or pro China propaganda site or publication.
     
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    Don't planes land regularly in Taiwan? Don't visitors go there every day?
    Pelosi may be no great shakes, but an American woman going to another country hardly seems all that remarkable and certainly not threatening to any genuine power.
     
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    Most visitors don't use taxpayers money to cash in on the microchip shortage.
     
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    Lol…Why don’t you tell us what the “practical effect” would be on America’s interests and reputation to kowtow to china's thuggish demand?
    This is the sort of bullshit that foreign disinformation farms spread to fool the rubes into becoming useful idiots for their agenda.
     
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    News flash! Pelosi lands in Taiwan. China declares war on US!

    Not.

    The game of geopolitical chess between the US and China continues apace.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.
     
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    I don't know. Few days ago her critics thought she was not going, and they said NOT going was epic and catastrophic blunder.
     
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    The first time I've ever respected Pelosi. Good on her.
     
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    I don't know if I would respect her true reason for going, if it were possible to know that, but I have huge respect for her not backing down to China's sabre rattling. Not going would have been a huge blunder.
     
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    The real "blunder" was China making so much of it.
    Pelosi and the duopoly she represents are beneath contempt. That makes it all the more surprising that the usually rational, if reprehensible, C.C.P. gushed so vehemently about such a non-event.
    Once more, much ado about nothing.
     
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    Likewise and for me it may well be the last time as well
     
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    Her trip was useless. Biden was just there so if the goal was to assure Taiwan of US support it's redundant. If the goal was to move Taiwan chip manufacturing to Arizona it would be better to send manufacturing executives. The only benefit that the US gets is that Xi will overreact and do things to disrupt supply chain which would disrupt America jobs enough for Americans to kick out the Democrats.
     
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    China is acting aggressively and we want to show countries in the region they can count on our support.
    They ought to watch out who they decide must pay for imagined insults.
    We have interests and allies in the region. The Chinese are trying to intimidate their neighbors. What they're doing invites a response.
    They're cozying up to Putin. They did so months ago.
    Putin knows the USA, UK, EU, Australia, Canada, Japan and South Korea are going to bleed the Russians in the Ukraine.
    China might do well to think twice before starting trade wars with countries making up half of the world economy.
     
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    Semiconductor plants use enormous amounts of water -- which is not a thing that one ordinarily associates with Arizona.

    "Chip fabs around the world are now racing to catch up to the world’s many microelectronic needs. And chip fabs need a lot of water to operate. By some estimates, a large chip fab can use up to 10 million gallons of water a day, which is equivalent to the water consumption of roughly 300,000 households." Link: https://www.gradiant.com/news/water...stry-to-adopt-new-technologies-ieee-spectrum/

    As far as Speaker Polosi is concerned, as a Right-wing Conservative, I cannot ever recall agreeing with her position on anything -- but, I support her State Visit to Taiwan fully. We cannot ever allow any foreign country to tell us where, when, and under what conditions that any of our government officials can do ANYTHING. Furthermore, I admire the way she carried the whole thing off and, in essence, told China's Xi Jinping to GO FUGG HIMSELF! :razz:

    And what's Xi doing now? He's having his military shoot missiles into the sea -- in a way not much different from the way that Kim Jong-un of North Korea throws hissy-fit tantrums and shoots missiles into the Sea of Japan. And all that Xi has to show for any of this chest-thumping is losing 'face', which in East-Asian cultures tells everybody you've been OWNED.... :roflol:
     
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    What is really critical here is that we need to be building our own chip factories asap so when the Chinese take over Taiwan eventually, we won't be left at their mercy like Europe is now at the mercy of Putin's gas pipeline.
     
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    That is what’s being done now though biden seems to have slowed the process since he seized power in 2021
     
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    You are so right, brother, and the best place to locate semiconductor 'fabs' is in places where there is a LOT of WATER... which sure ain't Phoenix, Arizona.... :roll: (Somebody else had mentioned that location earlier). You want to locate in a site where there is a sizable educated population, which preferably has experience in working in semiconductor manufacturing. Austin, Texas...? The Colorado River that runs through Austin is BIG... and so is the price of housing, but that's a different topic.

    It is interesting to note that even here in Colorado, in my home state, where the University of Colorado has excellent scholastic depth at its campus in Colorado Springs, Intel Corporation came and went! Why? there wasn't enough WATER.... Sadly, this will be true at many places throughout the Western United States... but not in Austin, Texas.
     
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    Then Redding, Ca. Would be the perfect place. Lots of water around here. A river runs through it. A good regional airport, I-5 and rail transport proximity, a great work force, lots of available business and industrial park space available and not far from Silicon Valley. https://www.shastaedc.org/
     
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    That's fine that she showed that she's powerful enough to go whereever she wants. But what's the purpose? Was she trying to convince the Taiwanese that they're better off offshoring semiconductor jobs to the US? I agree that the US needs more semiconductor manufacturing capabilities, but why send Pelosi? Send someone in commerce or tech who can communicate more effectively.

    The US is facing 15-20% inflation. Deal with thst first. If you want to flex political muscle do it when you have the plants ready to go. If China blockades Taiwanese semiconductors or cause significant supply chain issues Pelosi has no answer. Biden promised American oil to supplement Europe for the percentages lost in Russia oil while not having a strategy to increase production. The result is that Americans are sufferring from the Biden inflation. Pelosi is doing the same thing. She's making a move that could result in semiconductor supply chain problem without having a remedy in place.
     
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    I can't disagree with much of what you've said, but from what I've read, the White House didn't even want her to go to Taiwan! Biden, as president, does not have the power to forbid the Speaker of the House of Representatives to make a trip like that on her own, but Biden's people were not happy about it.

    You are right about inflation, but it is true that, for an assortment of reasons, gasoline prices have declined noticeably in the past 45 days, but unfortunately diesel prices remain high -- thus, transportation costs which will be passed on to you and me will remain high, too.

    We definitely should be building state-of-the-art chip fabrication plants inside the United States, and we should be doing so on an emergency basis! We never should have off-shored nearly all of this manufacturing sector in the first place, but after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, all Korporate Amerika wanted to do was move everything possible to foreign countries, where local politicians could be bribed to do anything, taxes were 'negotiable', and the labor force was motivated and willing to work cheap.
     
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    I said it in another thread I'll say it again. This was a Trump like move. And progressives are going to have a hard time coming to terms with that.

    You were all afraid of Trump starting WW3 because he behaives EXACTLY like this. In that if you (China or whomever) try and tell Trump to do something, he's going to do the exact opposite and be loud about it. Pelosi, as much as I hate the witch, made the right play here.

    Progressives need to deal with that reality.
     
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