Propagandist warns China could down Nancy Pelosi’s plane during Taiwan trip

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    General Milley was no adult in the room, he bypassed his chain of command, collaborated with Speaker Pelosi and created a controversy where there wasn't one. You do realize the military disorder that would come with the Speaker of the House attempting to gain access to the nuclear codes, don't you?

    I still want him dishonorably discharged for his actions. If he wanted to be POTUS or Head of the Pentagon, he should've aimed his career aspirations there.
     
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    She did it!!

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    Milley should be treated no different than that of Lt. Col. Stu Scheller.
     
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    In this particular case, no he didn't. Under certain circumstances, the Chief of Staff can discuss things with his counterpart. BTW, ambassadors do this, assistant state department officials do this, and even certain high-ranking employees and senior executives do this. What Gen. Miley cannot do, without approval from the chain of command, is make agreements on behalf of the US government, binding us to those agreements. He did not. He can talk to his counterparts without prior approval including trying to calm them down from what a person said.

    Second, you are confusing the "chain of command" with the Pelosi analogy. Third, that is not the definition, the legal definition, or collaboration. For that to happen, Gen. Miley would have to give or be willing to give, the Chinese Military the nuclear codes. But Gen. Miley didn't do that. You are simply using a buzzword in order to obtain the desired fear effect you want.
     
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    Not an accurate comparision unless you think that anyone and everyone who disagrees with trump, criticize with Trump, etc is considered a disloyal, unpatriotic American. Hogwash.

    Lt. Col Stu Scheller has every right to make his first amendment rights and criticize the government as long as it is not in uniform on camera or in public. As a private citizen, even being a full-time active duty Marine, reservist, or even national guard, he can do that if he wears civis or does not identify himself as a member of the armed forces and/or his rank. That is very specific within the DoD regulations.

    However, the difference with General Miley is that it is part of his job to talk to his counterparts, whether it is a friendly country or a country with established protocols, like Russia or China. In this specific instance, Gen Miley spoke to China Counterpart to relieve fears of possible US aggression towards China by Trump who wanted to play soldier boy. I know modern conservatives want that and probably believe they will win such a fight, but the reality is no one will win and the US would have been a lot worse shape than the 2007-2010 severe recession.
     
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    It's not an accurate comparison, I'll concur. One criticized his superiors that cost the lives of soldiers he worked with. The other literally committed treason. Milley does not have the right to make military decisions over the commander in chief and distinctly undermined the sitting president. Alerting our enemy of any action is absolutely treasonous!
     
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    General Miley did not commit treason at all and I don't think he violated any protocols either. What he did do, knowing history, among other things, is to make sure that China does not fall for the bait that Trump was attempting to lay out, to sucker punch them so to speak. Controversial, probably. Illegal? No. If it was, Trump would have had Barr bring him up on charges. Or is Barr another traitor of yours?
     
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    Taiwan’s presidential has been hit with a cyber attack.
     
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    And what an embarrassment for America that was...

    The major difference is that the Europeans weren't hostile to a high level US official's visit while the Chinese obviously were.
     
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    Barr I appreciate. He did everything right IMHO. Telling an opposing general that "if we attack, I will call you ahead of time. There will be no surprise." is absolutely insane. That puts every soldier in our armed forces at risk as well as provides an opportunity for China to strike first. Benedict Arnold at least dropped his allegiance to the US and joined the enemy. Milley merely subverted his command and cohorted with then enemy.
     
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    Pelosi didn't visit China. I think personally Democrats are upset Pelosi made Biden look weak when in fact he made himself look weak when he was asked how he felt about her going to Taiwan and his answer was the Pentagon didn't want her to go. Wrong answer little panda cub!
     
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    Seems he hasn't gotten much sleep since then. Look at the bags under his eyes!
     
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    A agree but the Democrats are angry Pelosi made Biden look weak when in fact he made himself look weak by not supporting her visit when asked but instead said the pentagon didn't want her to go. Weak!
     
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    Pelosi has indeed visited china. She held a pro democracy banner at Tianenman square in the 90s apparently.
     
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    Yes, I know that Pelosi didn't visit China.

    I feel that Pelosi only pulled this stunt to strengthen her political base in her district rather than accomplishing anything beneficial to the US in general.

    This bungling administration has either created new "hot spots", fumbled withdrawals, or further inflamed existing "hot spots".

    Do you really think that Pelosi is going to accomplish anything that's meaningful for America on this self serving junket?
     
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    Brava Nancy!
     
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    Yes, she is reminding the world that we haven't become China's bitch.
    That's more than you could say for trump and the gang of cowards fretting over her visit to Taiwan.
     
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    You mean like showing our allies we are willing to risk a war with China to stand by them? After Afghanistan the US needed this and I applaud Pelosi for standing up to China even if Biden isn't willing to do so. This also took Biden's terrorist killing moment away as well. Panda cub is weak.
     
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    Old news.
     
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    Yes, although I never agree with Nancy Pelosi on ANYTHING else, damn it, I admire the hell out of her for giving Xi Jinping and the whole damned 'mighty' Chinese military THE FINGER over this Taiwan visit. That took guts... and I'm about as right-wing Conservative as it gets!

    Imagine... you've got the whole Chinese juggernaut threatening your life, and on top of that you've only got lukewarm backing from your own Democrat-dominated government. BUT YOU GO ON IN ANYWAY!

    Nancy Pelosi is the epitome of everything that I have consistently disapproved of greatly in government for decades, but for the way she stood up for the rights of the United States of America to send representatives anywhere, anytime, I must admire her, her courage, and her determination to tell Emperor Xi Jinping to GO F*CK OFF!

    [​IMG]. "Don't tread on ME...!" :salute:
     
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    Please keep her there for life.
     
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    'discuss things with their counterparts'. You're the one using words in order to obtain the desired effect you want, namely to lessen the offense. No one in the US(aside from the Speaker) made any suggestions of an attack on China. In fact, given the testimony it was rather apparent that all Trump was focused on was the events around the capitol on January 6th. Nor were my words towards the Chinese, but towards Speaker Pelosi who actively sought control over our nuclear codes.

    Let's be perfectly clear about this: China was a spectator in all of this. They weren't made aware of any possible(nonexistent) threat until Milley told them. Nor were there reports of unsettled military movement against the US that would prompt such a statement. This was a self created controversy, by a power hungry obsessed politician who wants power in spite of not being able to actually get it.(because national elections, like POTUS/VP would bring her out of her California bubble and she couldn't win in such a scenario)

    And in Milley's case, it was popular to be seen as a resister to Trump especially in lieu of what was happening on and around the 6th. But regardless of his reasons, the fact that he actively spoke with the Speaker on a matter with which she's not qualified to speak on and the fact that he spoke to China and actually told them "we will let you know" is so grossly offensive to me.

    So yes, he didn't go full Benedict Arnold, just half way. Half way is enough for his dishonorable discharge.
     
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    General Miley was saying that Trump was not in the right if Trump wanted to attack China while the US military was still unprepared to deal with China's hypersonic weapons and ship killer missiles. But the issue was that Trump was, in so many words, threatening China with military action. The Chinese government sees this as something that the US normally does not do, an anomaly, and probably has detailed files on Trump's psyche evaluations of their own, like what our CIA does with certain leaders. In essence, he was thwarting Trump's aggressive posture towards China where China would have no choice but to attack. That attack would be an aircraft carrier group or a lone US destroyer in the South China Sea. Essentially, he calmed the Chinese down saying Trump was bluffing with his rhetoric.

    That being said, his words are not to be taken as literal as you want them to be. Look at the whole picture, whether you agree with the actions or not.
     
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    Who needs enemies when Americans have each other.
     
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