Kansas voters block effort to ban abortion in state constitutional amendment vote

BANG ZOOM! Right over his head.

 

Kansas just proved it's not a party supporting abortion bans, you were wrong. It would be like me saying the Democrat party supports abortion all the way til the day the baby is born because lefty California, NY and other democrat-controlled states have those laws. Your projection is based on a false premise therefore every point your try to make politically isn't be based in fact. I remind you what Red Mississippi law was that started this, a 15 week restriction with exceptions, not the 20 week that Roe had. I'm a Republican I support the 20 week with exceptions, most Americans left and right are down the middle on this, except the extreme.

 

I am glad you can admit this is an attempt by the religious to force their will on the people.
Alito even admitted as such

Organized religion is a plague upon the Earth

 

I said party — I mean the leaders of the party that are overwhelmingly pushing abortion bans.

Very few Democratic politicians are pushing the ability to abort moments from a live birth.

 

Is there really that much raping going on?

 

Are these women real or made up?

 

It is a matter of letting the people decide. Do you think you know better than everyone?

 

The action of removing from Federal purview and returning it to the States was in and of itself not 'banning' abortion. It wasn't selective as to which States it applied to. The 'banning' claim is hyperbole, as it applies to a limited number of States, the the States as a whole.

Since the States that have such laws on the books were as a result of legislation, then the 'will of the people' was being held up at that time. That does not mean it cannot or will not be changed. Issues that the majority of constituents have an problem with normally do come up for review as SOP. If that many people object to, it is the duty and responsibility of the Representatives in that State to address it.

 

I guess every vote is an attempt to force your will on other people. Wow, astute observation. :roll eyes:

 

I didn't see anyone saying anything about the Supreme Court. Its the KS law people are rejecting.

 

Effect of Law is not law. The ability to have an abortion was not legislated law, and SCOTUS does not make laws. Period.

Whatever possibility abortion may have had to claim under 'privacy', was vacated by the Electronic Health Records mandate of 2015 that makes records, of which abortion would be a part of, that anyone who has access to such records, has that information. Privacy, Security, and Electronic Health Records (hhs.gov) There is no 'privacy' provided at that point.

There are extremists of all persuasions. In general, what occurred in Kansas will likely be what happens across the country, and those States that had trigger laws will likely see a fight to negate them.

Apparently you have me painted as 'right'. When you start with flawed assumptions, the rest tilts.

I found no valid support for any 'Rapist Bill of Rights'. Parental Rights and Sexual Assault (ncsl.org) Scarborough ranting is not 'valid support'.

 

60/40 is pretty much a blow out.

No clue who you mean by "you folks". I said the issue belongs to the States, like death penalty.

 

Actually no one is

But some babies are palliated as their ability to survive is very very limited

These include but are not limited to

• Acardiac twin
• Achondrogenesis
• Achondroplasia
• Adrenal hematoma
• Agenesis of the corpus callosum
• Anencephaly
• Angelman syndrome
• Aqueductal stenosis
• Arthrogryposis
• Bilateral multicystic dysplastic kidneys
• Camptomelic dysplasia
• Cardiac rhabdomyoma
• Caudal regression syndrome
• Chorioangioma
• Cystic hygroma
• Dandy-Walker malformation
• Diastrophic dysplasia
• Double outlet right ventricle
• Encephalocele
• Esophageal atresia
• Holoprosencephaly
• Hydranencephaly
• Hydronephrosis
• Hypoplastic left heart syndrome
• Infantile polycystic kidney disease
• Iniencephaly
• Intracranial teratoma
• Klippel-Trenaunay-Weber syndrome
• Limb-body wall complex
• Meconium cyst
• Meconium ileus
• Microcephaly
• Multicystic dysplastic kidney
• Multiple pterygium syndrome
• Osteogenesis imperfecta
• Pentalogy of Cantrell
• Renal agenesis
• Rh incompatibility
• Sacrococcygeal teratoma
• Spina bifida
• Spinal dysraphism
• Thanatophoric dwarfism
• Triploidy
• Trisomy 13
• Trisomy 18
• Twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome
• VACTERL association
• Vein of Galen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fetal_abnormalities

 

Every 68 seconds a sexual assault occurs in this nation according to https://www.rainn.org/statistics/scope-problem

A tad over 14% of women have reported a “completed” sexual assault and some studies have shown a very large percentage go unreported.

So you answer your question — yes

 

Kansas was one of the first abortion mill states.

 

Yes it does but Democrats preferred going around the democratic process and let the Supreme Court force abortion down everyone's throats. Glad you finally agree this is how abortion rights should be decided.

 

Then what are you complaining about?

 

Well, you need to look at what the laws were BEFORE Roe v Wade was cited. Many states banned abortion, some outright with a few having charges of murder like Texas for instance. The reason why conservatives wanted it to go to the states is because they conservatives generally lost on this issue with the courts. So, change where the influence can be dictated, state legistatures and the gerrymandering that goes along with keeping the state Red in the state houses.

So, Kansas did this experiment of "we the people" and lost. However, social conservatives will not take "no" for an answer. So the next step is the state legislature to pass a bill to ban abortion despite the fact that the majority of the people do not want this and disagree with the SCOTUS ruling in the Dobbs case. Furthermore, you have the state of Georgia Tax Revenue Office saying that because of the Dobbs decision, a fetus can now be claimed on the state tax return. You have other states who are controlled by the GOP that now want to ban contraceptives, want the Loving case reverse, the Phyler case reversed, and so forth.

This isn't about "the people," it is about pure political power and what they think should and should not be acceptable. In the end, the GOP will now try to reintroduce Government in the bedroom to control "sex." So congrats.

 

complaining? If you read my posts you should be able to figure out that I am saying.

You think Democrats somehow "let" conservative leaning Supreme Court make the ruling in the 1970s? How do you figure? Doesn't the Constitution authorize the Supreme Court make rulings on cases which are escalated to them?

 

Delete.

 

I think they'll be talking about that a lot more quietly moving on from here.

 

In today's political climate 60/40 is a blowout especially when you consider this was a primary voting phase in a deeply red state and people had to sometimes line up for hours in 100 degree heat to cast a ballot.

Yep, blowout.

 

Representatives not following their constituents wants and needs don't last long, but I am already aware of a number of laws that existed prior to RvW.

No, the State of Kansas did not 'lose', they have to accept the will of the people on the subject. The same subject will come up in virtually every State, so it can be made into law, however it goes, in every State. That is a necessity that was never addressed at the Federal level- not even attempted- to protect the ability (it is not a 'right') to abort. Now it will be addressed, and I'm sure both sides will have some unhappy people no matter which way a particular State goes.

It became political because that is what the duopoly wanted. If it had been addressed in that vulnerable 50 year span, one way or another, likely we wouldn't be having this discussion.

'Congrats' for what?

 

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

 

You are not wrong and I was curious of the timing of the ruling. I think the ruling prior to midterms definitely changes the dynamic and pulls into question if the pub's will take both houses in November.