DeSantis suspends Tampa prosecutor who vowed not to criminalize abortion

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  1. hawgsalot

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    There is no law struck down, the 15 week abortion is currently the law. A judge struck it and it immediately got reinstated on appeal. It's the same law as MS has that the Supreme Court ruled on.

    15-20 weeks seems like a good compromise and most Americans agree.
     
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    When does a DA get to determine constitutionality of a law, that's the courts job? The supreme court just ruled in favor of the Mississippi law that the florida law copied.
     
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    What are you referring to here? My understanding was that Judge Cooper's injunction has been overruled:

    Florida's 15-week abortion ban remains in effect despite judge's order - CNNPolitics

    Appeals court keeps Florida abortion law in effect - CBS Miami

    Has there been more recent movement in the Florida courts that I'm unaware of?
     
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    Gun control laws are unconstitutional.
     
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    That sounds like an argument Warren can make to the 23 Republicans and 16 Democrats in the Florida Senate. Good luck to him with that.
     
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    And he pledged to not do so

    "....Not all of us agree on a personal or moral level on the issue of abortion. But we stand together in our firm belief that prosecutors have a responsibility to refrain from using limited criminal legal system resources to criminalize personal medical decisions. As such, we decline to use our offices’ resources to criminalize reproductive health decisions and commit to exercise our wellsettled discretion and refrain from prosecuting those who seek, provide, or support abortions...

    .....To best promote public safety, prosecutors must be perceived by their communities as trustworthy, legitimate, and fair — values that would be undermined by the enforcement of laws that criminalize deeply personal decisions, harm those most in need of our help, and force unnecessarily difficult and traumatizing decisions on many in our community. "
    https://fairandjustprosecution.org/...6/FJP-Post-Dobbs-Abortion-Joint-Statement.pdf

    Can prosecutors veto state law?
     
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    Thanks for this, that was my understanding too.
     
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    it's about now and the future
     
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    I think when DeSantis and the state legislature wanted to pass something like this, I think they modeled it after France, but with no guaranteed right by statute in France.

    It will more than likely be the courts, not the state senate. He is a duly elected person from the county and not a senior official who was appointed by the Governor in the state executive branch.

    But that's not what you said or implied. If you are stating there is no prosecutorial discretion, then these persons must also go. But if you are stating there is prosecutorial discretion, as claimed by the conservative sheriffs and by the state attorney for not prosecuting a person for abortion, physician or the person who has the abortion, is against his conscience and against the State Constitution.

    You cannot have it both ways. You must choose one or the other. And it does not matter if it is the Federal Constitution and its amendments or laws, or a state constitution and its amendments or its laws.
     
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    Sometimes its red, and sometimes its blue, hence its called purple. Heck the whole argument here is that the middle parts like Tampa are blue, when its actually purple
     
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    Doesn't really say much for Florida Democrat voters does it?

    The guy they voted for was found passed out in a pool of his own vomit and a motel room with a male hooker and meth.

    Not to mention at the time he ran his City Hall as mayor of Tallahassee was under FBI investigation.

    So hopefully DeSantis hurt enough liberals feelings that they decided not to move here. I love how people love to talk all this crap about Florida but they sure as hell love to move here
     
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    Earlier you thought the ABA (or the "Florida ABA") had a role to play here, so you're not exactly instilling confidence in your grasp of the situation. And now you're clearly wrong about this, again. Here is what the Florida Constitution has to say on the matter. Please note the highlights, and today might yet be educational for you:
    source: The Florida Constitution
     
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    Or visit the state. AOC, for example, after having verbally trashed it over and over again. Such a mealy-mouthed hypocrite. I hope the Democrats run her in 2024 for president. :bye:
     
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    No comment about his free money handout?
     
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    It says a dozen other states are doing the same thing.

    Are you against a little bit of relief for foster and adoptive families in the form of a $450 check?

    I thought you guys say the Republicans don't care about kids after they're born.
     
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    And I thought conservatives said free money does more harm than good.

    The other states also suspended their gas tax...did Florida? Where it's suspended gas is as low as 3.60 a gallon...
     
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    Have you heard of Governor descretion? It's a fundamental principle of our law.
    So you engaged in mind reading and determined that your opponent's motives are impure... boring!
    You are pretending that this is all about abortion. In days, we'll see how much the voters approve or disapprove of DeSantis, then we'll double check your claims about how FL voters are responding to DeSantis.

    https://electionbettingodds.com/GovernorsMap2022.html

    Betting odds, Desantis 91% Crist 9%.
     
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    Sorry you're against the families of these adoptive and foster kids getting a little bit of relief?

    I just filled up last night at 369 a gallon. It's no surprise the fuel prices are dropping because the midterms are coming
     
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    Yes. And they will count the recall vote behind locked doors with the windows blacked out.

    [​IMG]https://www.washingtonexaminer.com › news › justice › los-angeles-george-gascon-da-recall-vote-when
    Los Angeles bans observers from watching George Gascon recall count
    "Monitors will not be allowed to view the vote-counting process to recall District Attorney George Gascon because the county of Los Angeles does not view the event as an election, county officials say."
     
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    Biden's dropping a million barrels of day from our strategic oil reserve, right up to the week before the election, then it stops, because after the election, he no longer needs the price reduced.
     
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    The United States Constitution takes precedence over a state's constitution and the prosecutor took an oath the uphold the United States Constitution.
     
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    Hmmm, ok.
    No I am not against it.
     
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    It’s still in appeal process. The appeals court has not ruled yet. It’s likely the appeals court will agree with the decision because Florid constitution is clear. Individual privacy cannot be infringed by the government.

    Florida Constitution is in play here US Supreme Court won’t decide this.


    It is allowed to be in place due to the appeal, appeals court has not ruled at this time.
     
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    Oddly enough it seems DeSantis challengers are not putting much effort into the race. I live in FL and haven't heard a peep from either challenger. So, more than likely he will be re-elected,

    And........? Prosecutorial Discretion still exists.
     
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    I was unaware I'm evidently supposed to be against it. You know you don't have to agree with 100% of the popular opinion of the majority of your party right?
     

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