Handcuffed woman dies after deputy forgets to shut patrol car door, GA officials say

They are responsible for her safety and she was acting irrational. Not properly securing her is the officer's responsibility.

I'm guessing she jumped out to get away but nevertheless it is their responsibility to secure her in that car.

 

Are they responsible for protecting her from herself?

And even if you say they are, are they 100% responsible?

And if she couldn't act rational in this situation, there's no guarantee she could act rational once eventually released either, isn't that correct?

This isn't a "black and white" thing. I agree they are "responsible", but mainly because she could have escaped. When you talk about are they "responsible" for her death when she tried to unexpectedly escape out of a moving car, that is another discussion.

 

She has a history of mental problems, and here you are pretending she had this ability to choose as if she was sane.
That's a fallacy.

wtf is this? lol

They took her in custody. CUSTODY.... it has a definition. Apply it.

Since she has a history of mental illness, it means when placed into custody the burden on the cops over her safety gets even greater.
And she fell out, the cops she's dragged her around -meaning well, but still dragged around- which is something any idiot would know that you don't do.
You stabilize the freaking neck always. So this is also on the cops not giving the medical attention required but doing the opposite. And then she died like a week later.
So it's obviously far more on the cops then on a mentally ill person who even got dragged around while unconscious.

And here you are nitpicking on if it's 95 or 94% of the guilt. Seriously. I hope this makes you proud.

 

Yes they are responsible for her safety. This is a mentally ill person that was cuffed and detained by police.

Why is that even in question?

 

Why are they responsible for what a mentally ill person does?
It's not like that woman is going to be kept in custody forever.

If a prisoner hurts himself or kills himself, by engaging in a knowingly risky activity, do you blame the guards as responsible?

 

They left the damn door open!!! She was detained. She is their responsibility.

 

So what, them making a mistake doesn't automatically translate into them receiving blame for something that could not have happened if they had not made that mistake.

This wasn't just an inanimate sack of potatoes that fell out of the car. Neither was the victim unconscious. If they were transporting a sack of potatoes, or if the victim had been unconscious, I would agree they would be to blame. But the victim very likely moved herself intentionally out of that open door, knowing the car was moving.

I don't view it as their responsibility to protect her from herself.

 

You are simply wrong.

 

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Not really, being in handcuffs is very limiting and a car moving at any sort of speed can throw you about quite strongly.
And I still don't see how this could have happened without the cops knowing. Were they drunk themselves?

 

She is if they handcuffed her and put her in the car. Once you're in coerced custody it's EXPECTED that you will trust the custodian to take proper care to see you avoid injury. Practically any sort of liability practice recognizes that.

This is Freddy Gray but with even less provocation.

 

Is there evidence that she tried to escape? How fast was the vehicle going? Was it turning a corner? Depending on these types of factors it's easy to see how she could have fallen out. A human being is not strong enough to defy gravity.

 

That's my point. It sounds ridiculously stupid.

My ex called the cops on me every 3-4 weeks for seven years. I've never been arrested but I've been handcuffed and I've handcuffed others as a cop. Proper procedure is to fasten their seatbelt and close the door. It doesn't make sense that he forgot two steps - short of a pat down for hidden weapons - the most important ones.

 

Hard to say yet. But what kind of gravity are we talking here? This wasn’t a high speed get away It takes effort to fall out of a moving vehicle. People drive golf carts all the time without seat belts and there aren’t mass cases of people falling out of them unless they’re screwing around, hehe.

 

I would wager that progressives have very different views about that than conservatives.

She had free agency, she tried to escape out of a moving car. She should have known what could happen.

You know, in some other Third World countries the police load the criminals they arrest onto the back of an open truck. The criminal could of course jump out of the truck but it would be pointless. A police officer sitting in back of the truck would immediately chase them. (And if they give the police too much trouble, the officers are going to hurt them)

This idea that the police would be the ones held responsible if that person jumped out of the truck and hurt themselves is absurd.

 

You’ve clearly never been in a police car, that’s not accurate at all. And you never bothered to watch the vid.

 

Damn, catch those goalposts, they're escaping the stadium.

I was working under the impression that she was inadvertently thrown out as the car traveled, not that she jumped while trying to escape. (Not that it really makes much difference, the cops should have strapped her in, being thrown about while not secured in a paddy wagon is EXACTLY what happened to Freddie Gray.)

Going by some conservative opinions I've seen police have the full legal right to hunt the citizenry for sport.

 

He doesn't know that. He always blames the victims unless they look and love like him.

The officer is responsible for an arrestee's safety. Why else would they have to take some to the hospital if *something* happens before they get them back to the station into lock-up? They could just let them choke to death or ignore an asthma attack or heart attack or anything else.

/smdh

 

Crazy woman, grabbed my pistol and shot herself in the head, what could I do?

 

That happened to a neighbor's son. They didn't shoot him. They beat him to death to make the pain last longer. He was murdered for no reason other than some hateful cops wanted to have some fun.

 

The carts don't go that fast and the driver isn't handcuffed. They have full use of their hands and arms to hold the steering wheel and control balance or fool around .

 

Do you ever have any good stories about cops?

I mean you know.... Other than the ones at the Capitol on January the 6th.

 

I see zero possibility they are not to blame. This was a major screw up.

 

Again, for those unfamiliar with police vehicles: the woman COULD NOT have opened the door. Police cruiser rear doors DO NOT OPEN FROM INSIDE. In most cases, the handles are physically disconnected inside the door.

 

AHEM; I have HAD a police vehicle that opened from the inside, there was a safety switch by the drivers' door. Some can, some cannot be opened from the inside. That does not mean she did not leap out, which since they were traveling in a straight line is likely what happened. It's in the video, see for yourself.

 

OK, let me make this as clear as I possibly can: I do not believe you! I have a considerable amount of experience with police cruisers, and, without exception, the rear doors would not open from inside. Again: of the 100+ I dealt with, there were NO EXCEPTIONS.