DeSantis suspends Tampa prosecutor who vowed not to criminalize abortion

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  1. HurricaneDitka

    HurricaneDitka Well-Known Member

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    You've said some pretty wild things today, but this has got to be at or near the top of the list. You think the Dems are going to flip FL1 this year?

    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Is that an actual intellectual judgement with some basis in reality, or just wishful fantasizing on your part?

    Never mind, don't answer that, I already know.

    For reference, Cook Political Report gives FL1 a PVI score of R+19 !!!
     
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    Irrelevant to your political alignment. You are a lefty socialist democrat. Your posts thoughout the forum prove it.

    And who have Hillsborough elected into office since 2000? Democrats.

    You didn't read your own link:
    Hillsborough County tends to be slightly democratic based on voting results in recent elections. Compared to other nearby counties, Hillsborough County has more democratic voters. Compared to the nation as a whole, Hillsborough County leans more democratic.
     
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  3. Alwayssa

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    It was not a question of what takes precedence. It is a question of oath. State law enforcement officers take an oath to defend the state Constitution and the US Constutiotin. They are equal, not one above the other. And since it is both, stale law enfocement officers can and do have the choice to have a conscience of what they think the state's proposed law or actual law may be unconstitutional for a possible prosecutorial discretion.

    As I said, you cannot have both ways. Life does not work that way.

    so again, which one is it?
     
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  4. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Although the law is currently in effect, last time I checked, it is still not out the legal woods just yet. Recently, clergy in the State of Florida have sued the state to challenge the constitutionality of the Florida Abortin Ban.

    Originally, the ban was held unconstitutional, and it was appealed by DeSantis. Now, I think Florida's appeal court has lifted the ban, which now the opposing side will appeal. The opposing side usually has 30 days to appeal. And that appeal will go to Florida's Supreme Court. So, it is still in legal limbo so to speak and anything can happen in the State Supreme Court as well.

    If DeSantis loses the Florida Supreme Court, then DeSantis has a right to go to federal courts, and vice versa. Such is our valued legal process.

    BTW, I am not arguing who will win the ultimate appeal, but to some extent, Yulee is correct.
     
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  5. Hey Now

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    Why is DeInsaneis acting like a wannabe Despot Apprentice? Is this what the far RW base wants or feels they need?
     
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    Start with cosmetic genitoplasty on children under the age of consent.
     
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    How much did DeSantis have to pay this prosecutor to work for his campaign? ;-)
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    such as male circumcisions?
     
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    IMO, It would probably be better allow adult males to decide for themselves so long as there is no compelling medical excuse for the procedure.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    They do NOT have a veto power over duly passed laws. They have some, not a whole lot, of descrection on INDIVIDUAL cases for EXTRAORDINARY circumstance. But if they make blanket statements that they will not enforce a law because they have a political disagreeement they are abusing their office and must be removed.
     
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    A state attorney does not have the authority to decide what laws to prosecute, other than in incidental circumstances, and should be suspended. But the position is elected and the governor has no say in any replacement (though there will be no replacement for a suspension). I don't know Fla law but I doubt the governor can fire an elected state's attorney. In any case the next in line in the attorney's office will take over the duties.
     
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    You equate cutting off a foreskin with cutting off an entire penis?

    I take it that you are not a manicurist.
     
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    I'm glad to see that DeSantis is skilled at handling rogue prosecutors. He'll need to handle a LOT more of these clowns when he is elected President.

    CONSPIRACY TO VIOLATE CIVIL RIGHTS: Federal Prosecutor Sets Up Hotline for Reporting, Among Other Things, People “Espousing … Hate-Filled Views.”

    "Federal prosecutors have no jurisdiction over “deeply offensive and hurtful ideologies.” The First Amendment says that if they have a problem with citizens’ ideologies, they can shove it. Rachael S. Rollins is abusing her power as U.S Attorney and should be disciplined."

    [​IMG]
    Another Rogue Prosecutor.​
     
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    where did I say that

    you think cutting off part of the penis is not genital mutilation?
     
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    No, wrong. To exactly zero extent was Yulee correct when he claimed that FL HB5 "is currently struck down by the courts". The beginning of your own post even confirms that.

    To your broader point that the law is facing lawsuits and might one day in the future be struck down, you are not wrong, but regarding Yulee's claim about the current status of the law: completely incorrect, both of you.
     
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    Some newspaper have their noses out of joint over this.

    "The state constitution allows a governor to suspend public officials for malfeasance, misfeasance or neglect of duty."

    We call it "Governor Discretion."

    Florida limits abortion "to 15 weeks, which is the same as the Mississippi law that the Supreme Court upheld 6-3."

    Democrat "newspapers also had a problem with the Supreme Court's desegregation ruling in 1954."
     
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    Quite right, what is the point of having an employee who refuses to do his job? That's a matter for his conscience but it's incompatible with his position. Who does this guy think he is that he thinks he can pick and choose?
     
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    it's called partisan nonsense - this is an elected official firing another elected official
     
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    Suspension.
     
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    Dereliction of duty is a good reason for removal. The governor of Florida has that right. The courts will decide if he doesn't.
     
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    Not the courts. The Senate.

    But yes let’s suspend the Stste Attorney who is working important cases like the unsolved murder, wrong conviction he was busy working from 1983, while Ron fights a unnecessary battle.

    Now tell me again who is neglecting their duty.
     
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    No one is irreplaceable.
     
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    There were three points that Yulee was arguing through their multiple posts. One was that it was struck down, which is incorrect and Yulee may be using old info. If you did an internet search, you would have seen a June or May 2022 judge had blocked the law. Second, it is no more lawsuits, there is the Florida Supreme Court. That court has ruled previously that may suggest HB 5, 241, and others may be unconstitutional. It has to do with person's rights superseding another, in this case, a fetus. This is the part Yulee was correct to some extent. This is the point on which Yulee was right on based on precedent. The question remains if the Supreme Court will uphold the precedent or not. The final point that Yulee was arguing was the politics of all this.
     
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    True, but wouldn't it be prudent to remove a person based on actual cases and not hypothetical ones?

    And if we should remove the prosecutor, then shouldn't the right also be demanding that conservative sheriffs be removed from their posts because they don't want to enforce ANY gun law on the books? Or are we going to start that it is okay because it's federal and not state again?
     
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    The law is somewhat specific to allowing the governor to suspend a public official. The problem is that the suspension must be on actual evidence. The evidence so far is a letter signed when Roe V Wade was still in effect, with public officials talking that if the decision was overturned that they want to prosecute physicians and persons who have an abortion. So, this was not based on any current law on the books and the Florida Bills that was passed does not include any criminal punishment, not even HB5 has any criminal provisions. Furthermore, if there are any legal issues, it would only be limited to the physician, office, or medical facility not providing the report. And those statutes require warnings first, then an administrative hearing, and if it continues, then possible criminal charges on failure to report.

    So, what did the prosecutor do that was currently illegal under Florida statute? None, which leads to believe that this is a professional political hit job that Ferdinand Marcos would be proud of, not to mention Stalin, Lenin, Castro, and others.
     
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