Are Radical Leftists Prepared to Live by Their Own New Rules?

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tell what those were. Was he grooming your children? Opening the borders to anyone who wanted in without question? Releasing criminals, cutting police?

    Divisive does not mean disagreeing with you. It means being unreasonable, losing your values, your honor, your self respect, and blaming the rest of society because you are a mal-content.
    That is 100% squarely on the left.
     
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    We're not beyond fixing the country, but too damn close- and the damage done is going to haunt us for decades, no matter how strong we work to change things.

    JFK once said- "Ask not what your country can do for y- Ask what you can do for your country".

    I did, I figured it out, and I'm doing it. It may not work, but it won't be for lack of trying. Not public yet, but coming soon.
     
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    Do you find it amazing if JFK was alive today and running for office the Democrat party would try and destroy him. As a second amendment supporter and anti abortionist due to his Catholic upbringing would be enough to oust him from todays party.

    If their is any light protruding from that tunnel it would be sensible Democrats that have backed DeSantis decisions in Florida as well as those who don't want this administration. I only hope there is enough left.
     
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    JFK was no bigot, unlike many hypocrit extreme right fanatics these days.

    And I observe that it's the Trump cultists who are currently ousting their unorthodox "friends".

    No-one prevents you to be anti-abortion as long as you're not trying to force your convictions down the throat of everyone else!
     
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    I agree with your last statement, fully.
    The reference to "Trump cultists", I have to respond to.
    I have been a strong Trump supporter, and know many others. But it's not motivated by a cult perception of the man- but a support for the concepts and policies.
    There are faults and flaws in all beliefs and in all people, especially harmful when one decides the whole issue can be labeled over a few of those flaws or strengths. When people decide that leaders can do no wrong, then they become cultists; it alters their judgement as well as their values and personal integrity. Everything gets bent to their perception of things, and they fix nothing, but damage a lot.

    I'm saying- I've never seen a Trump cultist, in that people I've spoken to would all agree to the faults in his personality, and the errors in some of his views. This is true of every president, every person. It's a matter of degree, and most importantly a question of if those things prevent them from doing the job well. In my view, Trump did some things wrong, most things right- and given the resistance do doing anything right in congress, a lot of his objectives could not be enacted. This is true in most presidencies, but in Trumps time, the objectors became fanatical and dismissed honor as an inconvenient obstacle. That, as a wrongful act, has done far more damage to the nation than any mistake of any previous president. Promoting hate intentionally is a highly offensive act, and we've seen it everywhere. Bad for America, for our future as well as present. We've got to do better than that.

    Ask yourself this question- IF the people we elect as leaders actually were doing their jobs well, how in hell did the nation get in the shape it's in?
    Every aspect of government is failing to do it's job with reasonable effectiveness. It's a problem that has been growing for decades, that has reached the tipping point, and something has to change soon.

    One of those things is to realize that unless order and integrity is restored to leadership, we're on a trajectory to destruction. To restore order- you have to restore honor, the principal value of men that allows them to become trustworthy, to self-regulate, to do what's right because it's right rather than do what's wrong because it's expedient for the moment. That is what makes unity possible, enables us to trust each other- and it is the duty of leadership at all levels to promote that. The current leadership is not only failing to do that, it's opposed to the very concept of honor being the prime requirement and obligation of any office holder.
     
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    My post was not a response to your's. And I believe you are not a Trump cultist. And I don't believe all repubs are either.

    As I told you many times, I loathe Trump and I often wonder how you, who often seem to profess high moral ethics, can support such a despicable crook.

    I'm not a Biden supporter, but I think your last sentence is an unfounded and heinous statement; you couldn't cite anything substantial he's done against people.
     
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    I never claimed he was but you seem like your ranting

    I have never met a Trump cultist. Neither have you. You appear to be a victim of media bias

    Yet its the left that are all up in arms because they supported the fact that Roe vs Wade was forcing abortions down everyones throat instead of allowing the people to vote on the issue.
     
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    Utter stupidity! Explain how Roe vs Wade was forcing anyone to have an abortion.:roll:
     
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    I didn't make that claim but I understand why you would post such a deflection

    Roe forced every state to adopt abortion policies that were not hosted by the voting public. Which is why it was overturned.
    Abortion was never a constitutional right. Its a states right issue. Now the voters get to decide what they want instead of being dictated too by 9 appointed Justices.
     
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    Whatever way you're trying to justify your misrepresentation, saying "forcing abortions down everyones throat" is a completely inadequate statement.

    There was absolutely no urgency to abolish Roe vs Wade. It wasn't endangering anyone, contrary to its abrupt deletion.
     
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    Freedom, the fact is that the game of politics has nothing but despicable crooks. The conditions that we tolerate leaves no option; like sitting down to play poker and finding you are the only one not cheating- and cheating isn't being punished or banned. What are you going to do? You can quit- and a number of people elected to congress have quit due to the lack of honor and principles that control it. Or; you can play honestly- In which case, you will lose every time at everything you do, they will shut you out. Or... You can learn to cheat as good as they do; it is the only way to survive. . Then you're a peer, as guilty as the rest and no threat to the "system" inside the system. I think there are many in congress who would love to work in an honorable environment, instead of what as one commentator put it- operates like a whorehouse. But until congress finds a way to clean it's own house of a very entrenched system of corruption, that won't happen.

    A president is supposed to be the like the CEO, the active director of the country. He's the driver, or captain of the ship. The Congress is the board of directors- the navigational instrument that makes the laws and rules and regulations we all have to live by. The company, meaning the vehicle we are all in as citizens- is in chaos. While this has been happening slowly in years past, in the last two to four, it's been in free-fall.

    I hold the captain responsible, and I hold the navigator responsible. YOU didn't vote to be on this course, did you? Neither did I. So how did we get there? Our leaders aren't leading; they are a bunch of misfits far out of their class of expertise- plumbers doing brain surgery, that kind of misfit. I rate competence by the results you produce. If you can't actually do the job, why the hell did you ask for it? And why the hell don't you apologize and resign, instead of denying reality? They don't because they become addicted to the power and money corruption produces- at the expense of the people. Nobody's perfect, but there has never been such gross incompetence in government as exist today in your life- no matter how old you are.

    If you hate Trump, you should absolutely loathe what the current government is doing to America. Trump was trying to fix that, as he saw it- and that made him an enemy of all those profiting from the status quo. Biden isn't thinking this up, he was never a wise man- he's doing what he's told, not really in charge of anything . His time is up; and he has no business in that position- and doesn't know it. Problem is, the people who put him in as a puppet put a worse puppet in the position to replace him.

    Project the course we're on for say- 10 years. Would you really be willing to accept living in those conditions? Scares hell out of any rational person.
     
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    Yet another deflection about claims I never made.
    I said Roe forced every state to adopt abortion policies that were not hosted by the voting public.
    But please, go ahead and spin it any way you want.
    It only shows you have no intelligent argument to make.

    You thought 50 years to overturn Roe was urgency?
    It was overturned because abortion is not a constitutional right.
    And the SCOTUS has no right or duty to make laws. They are only empowered to decide constitutional issues.
    They made the right choice to allow the people to decide.
    But I am sure that bothers you as Americans voting on that issue isn't what you want.
     
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    I didn't make that claim. But deflection noted
    Roe forced every state to adopt abortion policies that were not hosted by the voting public.
     
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    Well, what's done is done. The consequences of that decision will be terrible for many women.

    Yes, the states will decide.

    But it is far from certain that all states will be responsible enough to prevent a lot of women to be in a distressed situation, as evidence by a current case in Indiana.

    Some of the states, like Indiana, rather seem to have decided to go after "these" women with a vengeance.
     
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    The constitution is designed to limit what the government can do, not allow them to "grant" rights to the people. Unless the government is granted a power- it does not have it, IF we are going to respect the constitution.
     
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    They certainly don't seem to like caring for the migrants that result from their open borders policies.

    George Soros Is Aiding Illegals Sneaking Into The US.

    "These illegal aliens are financially supported here both by U.S. taxpayers and a group of pro-“open borders” non-profits backed by political activists like Hungarian billionaire George Soros and blue chip American companies like American Express, according to an analysis of Internal Revenue Service filings by the Austin Journal."

    They love the migrants!

    "Soros and American Express are both major donors to the American Immigration Council (AIC), the National Immigration Law Center and Immigration Equality, the group’s 990 filings show."

    But, they don't seem to like seeing them show up in NY and DC, for some reason.

    "The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has partnered with the three groups to help illegal aliens obtain visas to stay in the United States by claiming they have been victims of a crime, which entitles some aliens to special treatment by immigration officials."

    [​IMG]

    Well, to be fair, first the Migrants themselves showed up without a plan.
    Then the Open Borders Democrats supported Open Borders without a plan.
     
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    So you're saying, abortion isn't as popular as you thought is was
     
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    Another one of your stupid posts! Do you read minds?
     
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    Are Radical Leftists Prepared to Live by Their Own New Rules?
    Not in a million years; not ever.
     
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    Are the Trump cultists prepared to live by their own principles of law and order and observing the Constitution? NO, they're answering negatively every day.
     
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    manure spreaders should be required to warn the public in advance of dumping.....
     
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    So ... when are YOU going to start?
     
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    I think the Radical Left is Prepared to Live by Their Own New Rules the same way as the Radical Right is Prepared to Live by Their Own Rules:
    no social security checks
    no farm subsidy
    no unemployment checks
    mo medicare
    no medicaid
     
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    I know of no action ever where Trump or his supporters violated the Constitution, the reverie in some minds not withstanding. The only cultists I am aware of are the global warming activists and the hateful purge Trump politicos.
     
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    Volumes have been written about the hypocrisy and tyranny imposed by Socialists, Semi-socialists, Neo-Socialists, Communists, and others who leverage the 'parasite-population' to gain and keep power. The greatest of all these classics is probably Orwell's masterpiece, "1984". But for hypocrisy, nothing Orwell wrote beats "Animal Farm"....

    [​IMG]. Why have Democrats protected "carried-interest" and the 'Limousine Liberals' who use it?
     

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