Abortion ban amendment shot down in Kansas doesn't bode well for Repubss

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Lost the last round so want to start it over again ? No , thanks, you were shown to be wrong and I don't want to go through all your baloney again

LOL, funny way of admitting abortion is banned and women have to travel to get one.

 

Here's your trophy -->

 

Now you make a completely different argument for personhood - "DNA" ... like a frog hopping from one lilipad onto the other... Then you say - "You Can't say its Potential" - when it was you who was making the potential argument.

What kind of loopy - doopy - fallacious flip flopping nonsense is this ? You gave 3 criteria - one of which was "Will become an Adult Human" a criteria on which you failed . rather horribly , to substantiate your claim that a zygote is a Person.

Now you want to add a 4th criteria .... as if adding something new to your list will change the fact that you have already failed to substantiate your claim .. and are desperately trying backtrack from previous position .. now trying to blame others for holding your nonsense position ..

You then commit repetition of premise fallacy .. as if repeating a false claim somehow makes that claim less false ... crying "The zygote is a Person" .. repeating the debate topic "is it or is it not a person" and thinking that repeating the topic .. is proof of premise.

Does it get any more mentally twisted is my question .. what will you come up with next.

 

"Good for dems"? Not really. It was good for America because it illustrated federalism at work but there was no massive wave of Dems capturing red seats. You're clinging to a ridiculous one dimensional image of conservatives, e.g. that we all oppose abortion. 70-80% of Americans favor abortion either within certain limits or unconditionally and I guarantee you they aren't all Democrats.

 

"will it become human adult" is a descriptor of what it was designed to do over time. That's Not "IF" it will become human life.

FFS man.

The DNA in a fetus even at a zygote stage is a human/person because that's exactly what it's DNA is. It's not going to grow into a frog or a cat or a tree. It's DNA has been determined. The unique individual is already created. It just needs time now to grow. Just as a child does. Just as a young adult does.

This process of growth doesn't stop until 25 years old.

My 3 criteria check out just fine. You are desperatly trying to do mental gymnastics to refute it. As most people who are pro choice, you are confused as to what exactly is the importance as to what happens at conception. And well...science is fairly clear on the matter as inconvienant as that may be for you to accept.

 

Have for 18,113 days when my car was hit by a dump truck, totalled, and I walked away.

 

They are, but maybe they'll stop when they see women won't take it.

The easy way to stop them is to stop passing draconian anti-abortion laws.

 

Assumed premise Fallacy .. You said your definition of personhood -- which we never did grant but humoring you... was that the entity be

1) Alive 2) Human and 3) Will become a human adult at some point in the future.

1 and 2 are granted .. must be both alive and human to be a living human -

3) now goal post moved to "designed to do over time" .. Designed to become an adult human..

OK .. The sperm has all those characteristics ...as much as the zygote but .. in reality .. the sperm doesn't have that characteristic .. but neither does the zygote.

The zygote will never become . nor was designed to become a human adult at some point in the future .. thats not how "it works" mate.. not how the science goes .. science much beyond your scope .. but not above mine .. and I tell you true .. Zygote don't become no adult human .. Zygote has a part in the creation of the human .. as do the other 200 zygotes that come after

Which btw .. a good juncture to humor your claim some more .. If indeed the zygote is a person .. "A Baby" as you claim .. do we then have 200 Babies when there are 200 Zygotes ? A good Science question for you .. good logic question in general.

Floor now yours. should you wish to try to maintain this already horribly crucified position.

Or we can move on to the next theological question .. that of your soul .. should you be blaspheming the Logos .. putting words in mouth of the Most High .. of this we need to ascertain

 

It's not just women, and it is not a partisan issue. I saw reported that something like 80% of Americans support the availability of abortion, and the woman's right to choose. I have done no independent validating of that number, but it's very close to my own anecdotal observations. Democrats hope that this issue will help them in the coming midterms, so their propagandists are working overtime spinning all kinds of crazy yarns to keep the hair fires burning. I just don't see it helping them very much.

I actually had someone suggest to me that women who travel out of their state to have an abortion would be arrested and charged with murder upon their return! lol AAAAhhhh hair on fire!

 

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“morals” are not absolutes

Ask those people who have had to resort to cannibalism to survive. The very fact that 62% of women having abortions are religiously affiliated speaks volumes about how people can adjust thier sense of what is “moral” when circumstances change. If you are already living below the poverty line with children and dependents and find yourself pregnant……….

 

Why not? What everyone is watching is a Republican rush to put in place the most idiotic TWONKish and stupid legislation ever crafted

 

You have never looked at this from a global angle have you? I think the two most pertinent cases in recent years has been Ireland with the death of Savita Halappanavar and Argentina with the rape of the eleven year old who was forced to continue the pregnancy. In both countries those incidents caused a massive public outcry forcing the overturning of existing statutes

 

Members of the GOP have already declared they are in favour of a national ban

 

I have no real interest in what happens in other countries, except to the extent that they affect the US. Sounds like Ireland and Argentina have some crap laws, and it sucks to be pregnant there. I do know that some people (ahem) seem to obsess over politics in countries other than their own, a hobby I have yet to be able to fully understand, but to each his own.

 

Members of every political party have declared that they are in favor of all kinds of crazy crap. If they are facing opposition from 80% of the bipartisan electorate, they have no leg to stand on. My bold prognostication is, There will be no national ban on abortion. If there is, you can come back and feed me my hat covered with brutal Aussie hot sauce.

 

We'll see you at the ballot box.

 

Almost all, if not all republicans in congress, legislatures and governorships across the land are anti-abortion.

That is the point, and the electorate has been made fully aware of that fact with the Kansas vote, and I'm sure they won't forgot come midterms.

So, if ALL or the vast a majority of republican incumbents and candidates are anti-abortion, and they are recommending crazy policies, and no pro choice republicans are on the ballot, moderate dems, wherever they are running, have a fighting chance, especially in swing states because they are the only pro choice candidates on the ballot (libertarians are not well known)

 

I think they would be better off if they cracked down on crime, dealt with the homeless in a comprehensive way and fixed healthcare. They could end the insane "war on drugs."

Anyway, Democrats will make much out of Republican legislatures passing extreme anti-abortion bills. Look at who Republicans got in bed with under Reagan. Religious types control a lot of local Republican party organizations. Someone is the Party has to tell them to climb down. I think they have to get beat for them to stop. Abortion may be the hill they die on.

Women just can't get their heads around government telling them they must bear children.

 

Morals ARE absolute. Otherwise they're just speed bumps for human depravity.

 

Looking forward to it.

 

What makes you think women will sit still for government telling them they must bear children? Your plans for them are intolerable.

 

So "thou shalt not kill" is absolute, no killing in self defense or defense of others.

 

Oh? I thought that was your posts...

 

Baloney! "Morals" are as ephemeral as a fart in the wind...they vary from person to person and from time to time....