critical race theory and the dwindling number of teachers

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  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    This is my retry. Ignore the first response Pollycy.

    To me, Germany and Japan probably have the best public schools in the world, but for different reasons. They have a similar structure, that is they have three different types of school, junior high and high school, in which the child must pass the entrance exam. We don't have that here unless it is a private school, generally. Both countries have a public school that is college preparatory style, regular school, and trade school. Feli from Germany talks about this in this video. And this video talks about the education system in Japan. Do you see the similarities?

    There are pros and cons to both public schools and private schools. Private schools tend to have smaller classes where the student-to-teacher ratio is anywhere from a few students to upwards of 20. Public school class sizes tend to be from 28 to 35 students per teacher. Both at public and private, teachers will have anywhere from 4 to 5 classes of students. Private schools are more selective in choosing their students whereas public schools have not. Academically, it varies with the private schools. The best tend to be nondenominational, college preparatory private schools like the Greenhill School, St. Marks School of Dallas, and the Hokabee School in Dallas. Faith-based schools, especially the large faith-based schools like Prestonwood School in Plano, can have great academics but it is with a Biblical World View. Biblical worldview came about after the infamous Scopes Monkey trial in Tennessee. And it grew from there, getting extremely popular among Christians in the 1980s and onward. The biggest problem I have with a Biblical worldview is that it is static. It makes the mistake that there are many different "truths" in a secular worldview. No, there are many different perspectives in the secular world view depending on your experiences, history, expectations, and others. But in a secular worldview, it can also change when new information comes about, such as dinosaurs are linked to birds, not reptiles for instance. In the Biblical world view, they don't answer that question and that the Bible is literal in everything. Life is not that myopic, but it is their prerogative.
     
  2. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    HB 1557 says the following: "If a concern is not resolved by the school district, a parent may:

    "Bring an action against the school district to obtain a declaratory judgment that the school district procedure or practice violates this paragraph and seek injunctive relief. A court may award damages and shall award reasonable attorney fees and court costs to a parent who receives declaratory or injunctive relief."

    What I highlighted in bold is what is called a civil lawsuit. A civil lawsuit is a request to obtain a declaratory judgment against the respondents of that suit. The respondents will be the teach, the principle, AND the school district. So yes, a parent can sue the teacher. The question is what are those district procedures and practices that violate HB 1557 and HB 7.

    Here is what the law says: "STUDENT WELFARE.— (c)1. In accordance with the rights of parents enumerated in ss. 1002.20 and 1014.04, adopt procedures for notifying a student’s parent if there is a change in the student’s services or monitoring related to the student’s mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being and the school’s ability to provide a safe and supportive learning environment for the student. The procedures must reinforce the fundamental right of parents to make decisions regarding the upbringing and control of their children by requiring school district personnel to encourage a student to discuss issues relating to his or her well-being with his or her parent or to facilitate discussion of the issue with the parent. The procedures may not prohibit parents from accessing any of their student’s education and health records created, maintained, or used by the school district, as required by s. 1002.22(2)."

    The part I highlighted in bold is the concern. If a student tells a teacher that they think they are gay, then the teacher, under the law must notify the parent, even if that conversation is in complete confidence with the teacher. Since there is a paper trail at the district, then word will get out about that student's situation, not to mention how the parents are going to reach. Some will act reasonably, but some will not as this article shows. And if the other students find out, then that is where the bullying will start, away from public school, on social media, to the ninth degree where the teen needs help will be refused by parents and society. That tells anyone a lot about how our society truly is. And that is how Evangelical Christians want their version of "honor killing" to be justified under the law.

    HB 1557 Text
     
  3. USVet

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    Fact: Teachers here in California get very well paid for only working 8 months per year.

    https://calsalaries.com/job/teacher-salary

    Average salary is above $97,000 per year plus gold plated benefits and it os almost impossible to fire them. Don't forget the generous, often 100% of salary, for life pensions either.
     
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    Thanks for making my point.
    Let me know when you find the part that says parent can bring an action against the teacher.

    Delusional garbage
     
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    This almost sounds like a Trojan horse:
     
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    557 Well-Known Member

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    You made statements that are not true. Like these.


    I pointed out that teachers ARE leaving the profession because of student behavior. I gave NEA statistics and teachers explaining their situations on the record to reputable news agencies. Both confirm student behavior is a big problem that is causing teachers to quit —just as big as what you call attacks on teachers.

    It’s obvious why you wish to post fallacy and run away. Because you got called out for posting misinformation fed to you by your handlers.

    Your personal experiences.


    And you making it about me in a way I guess the mods disapproved of (with no prompting from me by the way).

    “It doesn't have to be all negative, but often it is, and it you are willing to tolerate being disrespected and being treated like a bitch, then so be it. The rest of us move on and take jobs which are better suited.”
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    Well, your opinions are seldom based in reality. Do you have a ghost writer?

     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm cool with honest discussion, but clearly it cannot be had with you.
     
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    Professors in Florida are feeling the chill from DeSantis’ education legislation
    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article263966316.html
    The measures are backed by Gov. Ron DeSantis and the Republican-led Legislature and are seen as just the start by some educators. Those concerns have been fueled by reports that DeSantis had drafted even more attempts to rewrite laws governing public higher education, including stripping university presidents of the ability to hire professors.

    Some professors even suggested that they were considering leaving Florida to teach in other states and said they knew colleagues who had similar thoughts. “In Florida, we know that these policies have really led to increased efforts to silence and surveil academic speech,” said Emily Anderson, an assistant professor of International Relations and Intercultural Education at Florida International University.
     
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  9. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Never made your point. For starters, you don't know how lawsuits work. If a teacher violates that paragraph I highlighted from the text, then the teacher, the school and the school district will be enjoined in the lawsuit. It is how most of these lawsuits work.

    But then again, your actual statement was "There is no provision in the bill to sue a teacher." And that is incorrect.
     
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    Teachers do have a choice, they can elect to get paid for 12 months or 9 months. Their monthly pay based on their annual salary will be adjusted to what their monthly check would be, after the required and elected deductions. This is because of the rules in the 457b program.

    However, most teachers do obtain second jobs to make ends meet. Most will do tutoring on the side while teaching in the school year or in the summer. They also have additional pay for summer school and many young teachers who are unmarried and fresh out of college will take that job. And there are other ways.
     
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    It can be had if you stick to facts instead of clinging to your unsubstantiated opinions that conflict with all known evidence. Also it would help if you didn’t post content in violation of PF rules. But of course I’m sure that’s not your fault…. :)
     
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    Sure, same to you, and would have helped if you didn't constantly misrepresent my points.
     
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    You clearly stated multiple times teachers were not quitting because of student behavior. This is false and substantiated by both the NEA and reputable news sources. I fully supported my claim your statements were false. No misrepresentation.
     
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    More opinions and excuses that has nothing to do with the bill. People can sue anyone for anything.

    The is nothing in the bill that says a parent can bring an action against the teacher.
    If there was you would have provided it instead of your normal guessing and story telling.
    What is it about this statement
    If a concern is not resolved by the school district, a parent may: Bring an action against the school district to obtain a declaratory judgment
    That you don't have the ability to comprehend
     
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    The teachers who aren't wokesters are probably very happy they are not indoctrinating kids with ethnic studies and gender theory.
     
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    Both sides like their post hoc fallacies, but they seem to be the favorite of the right these days. Governments are having problems keeping their jobs filled across the spectrum be it teachers, police, or sanitation workers and grass mowers. I think some of this is self-inflicted after years of preferential hiring practices that created a mindset for men, and whites, and white men from even considering working for their local governments in these lower tier jobs so they don't even look for openings any more. Not saying the practices were right or wrong, but you only need to get the reputation for having a secret "Irish Need Not Apply" sign out before the Irish stop calling you.
     
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    Well, maybe they should show parents some respect rather than colluding with Dirtbag Garland to name them enemies of the state and set up FBI snitch lines on them.

    If teachers think that showing some respect to parents is so unbearable that they would rather quit, then don't let the door hit you. Given the crap job they are doing educating our young people, it's hard to see this as an unrecoverable loss.

    I fully support the teachers that in it for the young people and dedicate their lives to giving them solid foundational skills in core academics, I wish there were more of them.

    YES, AND WHAT’S YOUR POINT? Ed Sec: Recruiting outsiders to teach a ‘slap in the face’ to educators.

    'Plans in Florida, Oklahoma and other states to give veterans and first responders a shot at teaching is a “slap in the face” to teachers, President Biden’s education secretary said today.'

    They think they own education and that parents should bow before them.

    “To provide educators who are not qualified or trained in the pedagogy of teaching is a slap in the face to the profession,” said Miguel Cardona.'

    It doesn't seem like you have done the hard work of showing your value to your customers.

    '“We have to be honest, that if we’re serious about investing in our schools and in our education system, we must make sure we’re treating educators like the professionals that they are,” added Cardona.'

    Maybe teachers and public schools systems should respect the views of others rather than trying to get parents who speak up arrested and surveilled.

    'In addressing how governors such as Florida’s Ron DeSantis are handling state teacher shortages, Cardona said that it is as important to treat current educators with “respect” as filling vacancies.'

    Another clown that thinks he's a ruler rather than there to serve others.

    'At a breakfast roundtable hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, Cardona suggested that school systems first address why teachers are leaving and why it is hard to recruit new teachers. A former teacher himself, he said the focus should be on improving pay and working conditions.'

    The focus should be on improving student achievement outcomes. Which you'll notice doesn't seem to be one of his key points.
     
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