Why Do You Keep Believing

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Kris P. Bacon, Aug 9, 2022.

  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's not true.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland–NATO_relations#Membership_debate

    "Opinion polling following the invasion showed an unprecedented increase in support for joining NATO among Finns, with a clear majority in favour."

    In Sweden's case, their parliament voted overwhelmingly to join.

    https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2022-05-17/sweden-government-proposes-nato-membership/

    I searched but found no mention of Finns or Swedes protesting against joining NATO.
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    No I was against going in even if they had WMDs.

    That you didn't have one.

    Um, no. It's quite clear those in command in Russia do not take Ukrainian civilian deaths into account. They're not trying to kill them - it's just not a consideration at all for them. And it's logical. Some in the lower ranks appear to kill for sport or as a precaution, though.

    It's not true because the Ukrainians do not believe Russia cares if it kills Ukrainian civilians. Nor does Russia care what the international community thinks. Thus, it's not a shield. It's entirely incidental. They are not knights, nor are knights actually virtuous, but rather they are defending their country from an aggressor.

    Nor was anybody else in this topic.
     
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  3. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Essentially everyone has to find a middle ground between believing in black helicopters and wearing a tinfoil hat and believing everything they're told. Time to be a decent cynic.
     
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    I don't believe much anymore. There are a few thing's I do belive though.

    1. I believe there is enough abundance off all things that no one really has to be hungry or so poor that they barely exist. Commodities are controled by a few and they are only shared if one is willing to pay the price. Some farmers and ranchers will destroy their crops or animals to raise prices rather than share with those in need. Energy companies and goverments control the flow and spigots around the world.
    2. I believe the earth has alwas been in a state of climate change. Excavations have found whole cities buried in dirt, sand or water and ice. It more than likely is the cause of great migrations around the world.
    3. I believe that religions all around the world are the greatest cause of death and strife. They are the greatest cause of discrimination and poverty among the poor.
    4. Contary to what most believe, I believe, most countries goverment's are run or influenced by what ever religion is predominant at the time. Communism, socialism, capitalism etc. are just different forms of religion .
    5. I believe most communication companies, be it TV, radio, newspapers or the internet are a major source of social unrest, be they liberal or conservative. Power to the political tyrants use the media to exploit their dominance over the masses at every opportunity they have. They have no qualms about destroying a persons life or lively hood if it advances their agenda.
    6. I believe the legislative bodies in power, do all that they can do, to appoint judges and enforcement personal to carry out the punishment of those who would speak out or oppose them.
    7. I believe the "woke" crowd not only wish to change the lexicon how we talk or think about LBGT people and minorities but also to criminalize those who would disagree with their lifestyle. " Freedom is just another word for nothin' left to lose Nothin', don't mean nothin' hon' if it ain't free, no-no" Janis Joplin
     
  5. Kris P. Bacon

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    You don't have to answer the question. No problem.
     
  6. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The US would say just what Russia should say 'that's A OK'.

    In 1961 there were what appeared to be a bunch of missiles, call them Warsaw Pact missiles, in Cuba, only one was real, the others were dummies but that wasn't known at the time.

    Cuba is 80 miles from the closest part of the US, not actually on the border as the Ukraine is.

    And Russia is more concerned because the missiles would be closer to Moscow than the Cuban missiles were to Washington or New York.
     
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    With regard to your sig, I vote the Rosenbergs as the most heinous traitors.
     
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    You're welcome to your opinion. When it comes to treason the Rosenberg's wouldn't make a pimple on tRaitor tRump's ass.
     
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    Talking Pimples on Donald's rump are we ? .. you inspecter Fuzz .. come from the kangaroo court to see if we can squeeze out any puss ? now that Carrot Top been out of office for a few years . time for "Za Probe" perhaps yes yes ?!

    Now why you callin Donald a Traitor though .. when we got Biden to pick on .. much bigger Traitor its true :)
     
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    It's a figure of speach. President Biden a traitor? I thought you guys were trying to promote the idea he's to frail. President Biden is no traitor. What "treason" do you claim he's committed? Are you just piping up like a good little rightie?
     
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    Guess what? You don't have special knowledge. You are not an expert. You aren't a magician or a mind reader and you don't have a crystal ball.

    Why do you believe you have special knowledge?
     
  12. yangforward

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    In my own words: Volodymyr Zelensky ran for President of the Ukraine on a platform including bringing peace to Eastern Ukraine; he was the peace candidate.

    So he took up Biden's promise of support if he challenged Russia by crossing the red line. And a few people got killed, but it will eventually become peace, so he sort of succeeded.

    I'm not sure it was worth the risk.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But to get the lowest number of people killed, given that Eastern Ukraine is Russian-speaking and Western speaks Ukrainian, the best option would have been to split the country in two and for both to be as demilitarized as possible.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But then Zelenskyy would be president of only half a country and I'm not sure he would have agreed to that given that he won the office for the whole of Ukraine.
     
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    The Rosenbergs leaked the a-bomb, the greatest military secret of all time to the Soviet Union, a vile dictatorship which needed barbed wire and machine guns to stop its' own population from leaving. What did Trump do exactly?
     
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    Well, Republican politicians lie so…….
     
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    Like my father says if you don't watch the news you will be uninformed and if you do watch the news you will be misinformed.
     
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    "Rightie" ? My arguments against the right are way better than yours - give your head a shake .. nothing like starting off with Ad Hom fallacy .. finishing with name calling .. nothing substantive in the middle.

    "Biden no traitor" - how would you know - having no idea what a traitor looks like - no understanding of the founding principle - no understanding of Classical Liberalism.

    Like a leaf spinning in the wind mate .. no path .. no purpose .. no ground to stand on
     
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    But never Democrat ones, right? :)
     
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    Because I am Kris P. Bacon, come unto you to fill that empty space between ears. :lol:
     
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    The Cuban missile crisis, I remember it just about.
     
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    I'm glad you asked. TRaitor tRump attempted to overturnOUR Free and Fair 2020 Presidential Election. In the process he used the full power of the office of President of The United States to pressure and influence government officials throughout The United States, at all levels, to achieve that end. Along the way he put OUR elected officials in Congress, including the Vice-president in mortal danger after inciting a mob, that he knew to be armed, to attack the most beautiful public building on earth, OUR Capitol. Which resulted in millions of dollars in damage to that great building, hundreds of injuries to Capitol Police and many deaths and even suicide's. If he had been successful it would have ended Government BY THE PEOPLE forever.

    According to the leader of his Seditious Cartel, Steve Bannon, the ultimate goal was to ensure tRaitor tRump NEVER would have to face an election again. Put another way they intended to overthrow OUR Government.
     
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    Yes I do.

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    Cuba isnt Mexico, if we make it attractive for Mexico to do that, then we need to reevaluate our policy.

    Fact is we are better allies than Russia could ever dream to be.
     
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    Well, they ARE murdering / torturing / raping people, so there is that.
     
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