Not a veiled threat? Tell me this is not a veiled, nay, direct, threat?

So what is the message? The message is, hey, Garland & Wray, back off or you're going to get a lot more violence from my base, who, of course, I'm going to continue to say things that will inflame their hate for the FBI, and, of course, that's the plan. You know, that could be construed as obstructing justice, I dunno, I'm no lawyer.

So, Repubs are saying it's dems trying to get Trump. Why would dems do this?

Could crimes have anything to do with it?

Repubs tried to get the Clintons, but after 25 years, they couldn't find anything to pin on them that would stick. Repubs keep saying 'double standard' but no, they tried, and with Benghazi, 8 years and 4 investigations, Hillary showing up no problem, ask away, no '5th amendments' for her (Trump did 440 times) and Repubs just didn't succeed in pinning anything on the Clintons, and just because that failed, that's doesn't equal double standard.

See, Clintons are not like Trump, they may walk right up to the line, bend it a bit and even make it scream, but they don't actually cross it. It just looks like it, but from a prosecutor's perspective, it's not enough to bet the high stakes of one's legacy on given the high value target. The FBI declared that Hillary had over 100 top secret emails. Thing is, only three were marked with a C, 'confidential' and a little '(c)' at that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilla...ment_inspector_general_reports_and_statements
Three emails, out of 30,000, were found to be marked as classified, although they lacked classified headers and were only marked with a small "c" in parentheses, described as "portion markings" by Comey. He added it was possible Clinton was not "technically sophisticated" enough to understand what the three classified markings meant[111][112][113] which is consistent with Clinton's claim that she wasn't aware of the meaning of such markings.[114]

Well, no prosecutor is going to indict a high value target with only three marked confidential emails. That's why Comey didn't refer Clinton to the Justice Dept. But he did blab it out a week before the election, which was a wonderful gift to Trump, so I don't know why Repubs are complaining.

Yes, other emails were claimed to be confidential, top secret, whatever, but they weren't marked, and from a prosecutor's perspective, he knows the defense counsel can tear that defense up in court. "Not marked" Says who? The IG? Well, if they are not marked, it's just an opinion in retrospect, Monday Morning Quarterbacking. You don't take away someone's liberty someone on an opinion. Again, a high powered defense attorney will tear that one up, easy peezy in court and the prosecutor knows it. Oh, you want to argue 'she should have known', maybe so, but we're talking about taking away someone's liberty. Maybe a censure or something like that, even a fine, but jail? Not for this, no way.

(Continued...)
However, in June 2018 the IG concluded that the decision to not prosecute Clinton was not affected by bias and "was consistent with the Department’s historical approach in prior cases under different leadership, including in the 2008 decision not to prosecute former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for mishandling classified documents.
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Trump is betting the same will happen to him. He's betting that Garland won't have the cajones to indict him, and he's betting that because he knows that Garland's legacy will be destroyed if there is only one Trumper on the jury, and that's probably True.

So Trump is doing what he always does and has always gotten way with it in the past. Trump not only crosses the line, he does it right in your face and dares you to do anything about it. He does it because he's rich and can sick a lot of lawyers on you, and if your office doesn't have a ton of resources, he knows you won't go after him. Well, he misjudged the DOJ, which has considerable more resources, considerable more lawyers, and top flight ones, as well. Much better than the ones that are willing to work for Trump, now, that his reputation for being a compulsive liar, for being a dead beat, is well known.

Well, that strategy worked for years for Trump, but now the proverbial crows have come home to roost. The jig is up, Mr Trump. Your tricks no longer work. Garland comes off as a little guy, nothing about him gives any hint of the air of intimidation, he could pass for a teacher of bookkeeping. But Garland is no shrinking violet, as a Justice Dept Official under Janet Reno, he was instrumental in the prosecution of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City. he was well primed to prosecute all the Jan 6 criminals, and that could include Trump. We shall see. Oh, and I just heard that Giuliani is a target in Georgia. My my. The plot thickens.

So....

Isn't this what Trump is doing? Hinting threats to Garland and the FBI? How is this not what he is doing?

Why is Trump doing this? Why? Well, in my opinion....

Because he's a thug, that's why.

He looks like a thug, he talks like a thug, he gets people to beat people up like a thug, and he does it in ways it's hard to pin on him, like a thug.

You know the old saying, if it quacks like duck....

So, how much longer before someone hollers 'TDS'?

Drum roll........

 

You do know that in this statement that you shorted he was offering to help cool the Nation right? If you click on the Fox News digital link in the first paragraph of your posted article it explains it

 

"nice little country you got here. i'd be a shame if anything were to happen to it. "

 

@Patricio Da Silva

trump was admitting that he CAN "cool the nation" (meaning his nutty troll army, no one else is getting violent) and is offering to do so ONLY if his conditions are met.

"art of the deal?" if you say so. it sounds like extortion to me.

 

No, he's just trying to cool the narrative that he's the source of all the heat, that wherever there is a shitstorm, Trump is right there, fanning the bellows of ill winds and lighting fires across America. Everything Trump does is self-serving, and with Trump, that is axiom numero uno.

 

Says Biden to the American people every single day

 

thankfully, we no longer have a president who spews a tsunami of bull shot at the american people every single day.

 

Absolutely just walking up to the line of extortion and stick his foot over it. It's intimidation but it also shows that he knows he can put the fire that he started out as well. The fact that his followers find this behavior presidential is even more disturbing.

 

Trump could come out today and call for everyone to respect the FBI.

He doesn't need the DOJ to do anything to turn down the temperature.

We wouldn't even know he was raided if he hadn't went out and started crying about it.

 

I actually agree with this statement. Not his interpretation of it but the actual statement itself. It is accurate in that no other president has been treated in such a fashion but then all the others were smart enough not to do something so stupid.

 

He even asked the FBI how he can help and received no reply. But I’m sure you all will conveniently leave that out if anyone gets hurt

 

Uh oh! Is that “incitement”?
We better form a tax dollar sucking committee for this ASAP

 

Him not doing anything, why would we leave that out?

 

sure. and he asked to send the national guard to "help " on jan 6 as well. with trump the question is always "to help who?"

can trump help? he mught have helped by leaving this material where it belonged, or by turning it over the first time, but let us start with now. shall we?

trump can help by letting the appropriate people know who he turned things over to and what he knows of their plans to use the stuff so that the appropriate agencies can help to minimize the damage caused by his selfish and thoughtless actions.

 

Half an hour after he received an email from DOJ saying his passports were being returned, Trump decided to post that the FBI had stolen his passports. Does that sound like 'cooling' to you?

 

He was proving that the news was lying. And he had to ask them for them back. They didn’t willfully just call him to let him know

 

The above most certainly is not veiled. There is not a threat contained above. The above is a matter of fact statement as perceived by the sender. There is not a hidden agenda contained in those words. Everything is explicitly stated.

How are you perceiving this to be a threat in any form or fashion? This is 2 threads from you claiming threats. It is bizarre.

You cant argue against what he actually says, rather you must argue against the voices in your head?

TDS indeed. Just because you preemptively say TDS changes nothing. Similarly, a person with schizophrenia asking after one of their delusion filled rants "who is going to be the first person to call him crazy?"... also changes nothing.

 

I can't find any 'timing trail', but it is my understanding that he announced the passports had been stolen after he received the email.

 

If Trump feels as if he is being wronged by the FBI (which he most certainly does), why would he call for everyone to respect the FBI? This implication that he should is nonsensical. That is like acting as if Bill Clinton was supposed to go out and tell everyone to respect Ken Starr. Of couse he didnt. He attacked Ken Starr and his motives at every turn. Welcome to the world of politics.

 

it wasn't ok when Clinton publicly attacked Starr.

Clinton never claimed he wanted to turn down the heat. I was pointing out that Trump only wants the heat turned down on him, not the country.

 

A person has every right to defend themself. Bill Clinton had every right to plead his case in the court of public opinion. To imply that he is supposed to tell everyone to respect the people attacking him is silly. It is simply not based in reality.

 

It was after but it was because a news outlet was reporting that the FBI doesn’t have his passports

1- trump claimed FBI stole passports
2- left wing news said he lied
3- trump posted email proving the FBI knew

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump...-did-not-have-former-presidents-passports.amp

 

If you can't defend yourself without attacking other people then you don't have much of a defense.

 

We arent talking about him attacking other people. We are talking specifically about your statement "Trump could come out today and call for everyone to respect the FBI."

To imply that he is supposed to tell everyone to respect those that he feels he is being wronged by is simply not based on anything even remotely approaching reality.

 

Thanks for that. But on the subject of 'cooling', how does his accusation that the FBI 'stole' his passports accomplish that? The passports may have served a purpose in their investigation. And they have returned them. So why all the hoopla?