Europe's energy crisis has gotten so bad that French power stations are being allowed to break envir

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  1. notme

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    It's not as if people weren't aware. Germany simply needs to buy the gas from somewhere. If it aint from Russia, then the middle east is a sort of okay alternative. So now they are getting it from there and the US... and guess what. The price has gone through the roof, while those gas companies are making a fortune.

    Switching earlier would only have meant that they would be paying a lot more sooner. And that would not have made any sense. Especially at that point when Germany has been buying Russian gas for decades through a pipeline in Ukraine, without any kind of problems.
     
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    Yes. Droughts happen. We don't believe that socialism prevents them. The European Climate Megadrought – Which Happened 482 Years Ago.

    "In January 1540, a dry phase began, the likes of which Central Europe has not experienced in living memory, according to scientists who have been able to collect a huge archive of weather data. For eleven months there was hardly any precipitation, the researchers speak of a “mega drought”."

    "The year broke all records: Contrary to previous estimates by climate researchers, the summer of 2003 is not the hottest known – 1540 exceeded it by far, writes the international research group led by Oliver Wetter from the University of Bern in the journal “Climate Change”."

    By far. Everything we are told we are supposed to get hysterical before as "unprecedented" if you are even a notch above completely ignorant you know that's not unprecedented, it's not even unusual. The Left fights a number of reasonable solutions. Yes droughts are a regular occurance and have been throughout Earth's history. The sensible thing would be build water storage/flood control/hydroelectric generation systems. But, you want to see a Leftist snear? Mention that. Landfill clogging solar systems for desalination, that they get excited over, processing sewage and having folks drink it? That sends them into joyous spasms.

    Hopefully, here in America, in 85 days we will see voters resoundingly reject major nations having their energy policies dictated by a mouthy Scandinavian Teenager.

    On foot through the Rhine:

    "In the summer of 1540, people were increasingly desperate to find drinking water. Even a meter and a half under some riverbeds in Switzerland, “not a drop” was found. Wells and springs that had never run dry before lay fallow. The others were strictly guarded and only served when the bell rang. Contaminated water caused thousands to die from dysentery, an inflammation of the colon."

    The Carbon Cult within the Left wants far fewer of us.
     
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    That you don't recognise democracy when you see it?
    Assuredly.
     
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    What does this have to do with the fact that the EU doesn't make energy decisions for member states?
    BTW you may be obsessed by your simplistic view of your world a being à mère duality. I doubt the climate cares.
    I see absolutely no reason other than a disruption of profit why the people of the planet should not try to clear its air, water and land. There has been à noticible rise in asthma in children who live beside roads. One died à few years ago. She lived along à major road in London. Marine animals and birds are changing their habitually patterns of behaviour. Houses are falling into the sea.
    You don't get that after one year's drought.
    Instead of rejecting àn opportunity to increase profits and employment, plus discovery of new science, why not accept the world's population is finally investing in clearing up the planet?
    Why not? How can it be wrong?
     
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    That's right, they need to comply with EU rules to get in. Not neccessarily with the consent of the population, which is why BREXIT occurred.
     
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    Do youvknow what the rules are?
    They assure financial security, democracy and à willingness to work together.
    Does not EVERY clubs, association and alliance have rules which protect the purpose of that clubs?
    The consent of the population to membership is expressed through the 100% assent of the members of the Council, who just happen to be the elected heads of the functioning governments of the members.
    Posts like these just constantly prove that too many of those who voted to leave don't have a clue how the EU works. And were sitting ducks to believe the lies and half facts of those who have subsequently been proven to be liars and supporters of liars.
    The UK...the only country which has ever voted to do long term self harm.
     
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    personal attacks and telling the obvious is all you're about.
    Sad.
     
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    If a government of nation A changes it's laws to comply to the EU, and so gets in the EU, but it wasn't done with the consent of the population... then it's on the government government of nation A who did that, and not the EU.

    While the Brexit happened with just 51.8% being in favor, on 1 specific moment in time.
    I doubt it was always 51.8, and so I doubt your claim the government of the UK did things without consent is true. In my opinion it was far more about the sense of sovereignty and the free transfer of people within the EU.

    And that immigration is a bit iffy. The UK had well over 1 million of their own people living outside the UK but in the EU. They flocked to Spain for permanent residence like it was Florida. They massively had to dump their houses and move back. That, or dumped their nationality. Probably loads are just residing illegally there now. Great success.
     
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    You’re correct in saying that it was the fault of the politicians who dragged countries into the EU. Maybe that’s why when the British population had the chance they opted to leave. Had they voted to remain, it’s the last vote they’d ever get.

    Yes, Spain was a disaster for the British immigrants, but open borders and all that? I’ve no sympathy for them.
     
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    You write nonsense. Power is concentrated in the same hands, this is called a dictatorship. A dictatorship may be fascist, it may not be.
    What is fascism - read Dimitrov. And fascism is 100% the power of financial capital. For example, under Mussolini there was fascism, but finance capital had full power in Italy.
    There was fascism in Germany, where complete power belonged to the reactionary circles of finance capital. (Read about Krupp for example)
    The same thing is happening in the US today. By the way, this was stated by Mr. Giuliani from New York. Remember this? Read what Kissinger writes. And in general, remove the TV from your head.
    And it's not just me talking about the fact that the United States is fascism. Many authoritative people in politics speak about it. And of course the actions of the current authorities. Like, for example, searches at Trump's, where it was expressly forbidden for lawyers to be present during the search.
     
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    Do you understand what you are writing about? Or are you blindly quoting the media?
    Russia has a huge foreign trade surplus. Once again, Russia has a huge foreign trade surplus. What kind of reduction in GDP can we talk about?
    Hundreds of businesses open every day in Russia. But you write absurdity about some kind of reduction.
    At one time, imbeciles wrote as an anti-Russian argument - Germany's GDP is greater than Russia's GDP - and where is the economy of Germany and, in general, the entire EU today?
    Don't write nonsense. Think for yourself.
     
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    Is it written in the Western media?
     
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    Those politicians get voted in, you know. So indirectly the public is having a say in it.
    I don't recall that politicians did the opposite of what they were going to do about joining the EU.

    As far as I know, the younger generation were mostly for remaining in the EU, while the older generation said no. So the theme was in the UK that the soon to be dead, determined the future of the people who were still working/studying that they can't study or work outside the UK when leaving the EU.... and thanks for that.


    It was a disaster when they left. And yeah, open borders... WITHIN the EU, not to be confused with the NO open borders to outside the EU. I got a feeling you're mixing this up. While the UK wasn't part of the Schengen agreement anyways.
     
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    That was the problem. Evey political leader was pro-EU. It got to the point where even useless Johnson became PM just to keep us out.

    Yes, the younger already indoctrinated population were remainers. Sovereignty comes with drawbacks, but you get independence from being ruled by Commissioners in Brussels.

    I didn't mention Schengen, but yes, the UK was a part of Schengen, not by popular vote but by treaties signed by politicians.

    The EU will eventually collapse, as these socially engineered anti-democratic utopias usually do. When it does, we don’t want to collapse with it.
     
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    Well the fact that there isn't any opposing opinion allowed in Russia should be one of the biggest clues....

    Just sayin.
     
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    Finance is not fascism.
    Those who control it are the fascists.
    Since global économies are not run by singular persons but by long chaîn of intertwining ownership, mergers and acquisitions, subsidiary companies, etc etc your definition of fascism being the financial power of A country and its capital is impossible.
    I would read some proper texts if I were you.
     
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    THE UK WAS NEVER PART OF SCHENGEN.
    I am seriously thinking of reporting your posts for misinformation. You don't have a clue what you are writing about.

    FYI I used to teach this stuff at A level. Not the politics, but the structure, limits, the Constitution and trade policies.
    I suggest you tread very carefully.
     
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    Politicians didn't drag countries into the EU.
    They held référendums to let the people decide.
    Some countries like Norway said no.
     
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    "read RT where here in Russia, we do not allow conflicting opinions on world events." If your country will not allow opposing opinions, that should be your first clue you are reading bullshit.

    no thanks.
     
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    Now I have more time...the articles of the Treaty of Rome which outline the process for admittance to the EU specifically mention that entre must be done via the applicant country's DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.
    Which means by référendum or by electing à government which includes entry in its manifesto.
    The UK did both. It elected the manifesto promise and then had a référendum to confirm the deciision.
     
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    Germany Faces Power Grid Collapse as Demand for Electric Heaters Soar.

    "Germans are now panic buying electric heaters after firewood supplies and stoves sold out, a desperate backup option to survive the plummeting winter temperatures.'

    "The sheer amount of citizens using electric heaters would put enormous strain on the country’s electricity grid."

    "Electric heaters use between 1,000 and 3,000 watts of energy, so when all are plugged in simultaneously, it could cause a massive overload and cause the grid to collapse."

    “If everyone switched on a fan heater at home, it would mean that we would have to almost double the existing network structure on every street,” said Lautz."

    Well, you won't double the power grid between now and winter.

    "Germans have bought 600,000 electric heaters already in 2022, which is a 35 percent increase from usual numbers, and that figure is likely to rise as temperatures drop."

    I wish that Germany would have listened when there was still time, but, Russian gas was cheaper than US gas, they said.

    [​IMG]

    If Trump were still President he would be organizing natural gas producers in the greatest rescue mission since The Berlin Airlift, but alas, Joe Biden is president and he attacks US energy production at every turn, and he greenlighted the Ukraine invasion by Russia, a "minor incursion" you see. We'd love to help, but, we currently have idiots in charge, which I'm sure Germans can relate to.
     
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    No problems here in France. We have nuclear power, years of wood and don't use much gas. Energy price rises capped at 4% of last year and inflation at just over 6%.
    We rely on no one.
     
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    The US itself imports gas and oil from Russia to make up demand. It’s not a major energy producer.
     
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    Reading between the lines, it looks to me as if having failed to control the Middle East oil supply, the US was trying to become an oil broker for Europe. It would sell its own expensive oil to Europe and buy cheap Russian oil for domestic consumption, which is why it was so against the Nordstream pipeline. The war intervened and now both Europe and the US having sanctioned Russia oil are both going to suffer. Russia will increase it’s sales to countries such as India and China. It just seems to me that Putin is continuing to run rings around the west.
     
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    It probably would have made a difference because then Putin and his thugs wouldn't have been in a position to black mail Germany. He'll, Germany and the EU spent most of the last 20 years shooting themselves in the foot. Shutting down butler power plants was an absolutely retarded move as just keeping the existing ones running would cut gas demand in half. Next, in 2000 the EU domestically produced more gas than what is now imported but anti-drilling and fracking laws have made EU gas production nose dive. If they just kept production at the levels the EU had in 2000 then there would be no energy crisis or at least they'd be in much better shape. Lastly, the so called "greens" who pushed the terrible policies which are currently destroying your economy were mostly backed by Putin and his money. He wanted you isolated, weak, and dependent upon him and the German elites went right along with it.

    Trump tried to warn you that was a massive strategic mistake but Merkle just laughed at him. Now you guys will pay for your foolishness.
     
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