Elderly California store owner fires at armed robbery suspect who shouts, 'He shot my arm off!’

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    I'm saying that as far to my knowledge it's not mentioned in the 2nd amendment that registration of a gun is forbidden.
    And when you're asking me where it doesn't say that... I indeed am going to reply that I can not prove a negative.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    good of you to agree
    Translation: you lose yet again.
     
  3. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Your claim that I lost is unfounded.
    I my claim that you lost is founded... because you can't prove jack.
     
  4. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I don't need to prove anything you already know.
     
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    IS English not your first language or something? You keep repeating the same thing that I have debunked.. are you just randomly replying without actually reading?

    I asked you for a law that would target a straw purchaser you have come up with a law that constitutionally CANT TARGET A STRAW purchaser.

    you pointing to a law abiding citizen is not the debate.. the debate is CRIMNINALS and trying to stop them.

    This seems way over your head so let me dumb it down for you.

    Lets pretend I'm a criminal straw purchaser.. I'm a criminal but havent been caught yet so my record is clean, I buy guns and sell them to other criminals, gang members etc..

    I buy a bunch of guns I now have 3 options..

    option 1) I register the gun and now have a trail right back to me to charge me with a straw purchase (what you are thinking would happen in your fantasy world)

    option 2) I register the gun and grind all the serial numbers off of the gun so if the cops find it there is no chance of tracking the gun back to me..

    option 3) I'm a criminal I dont follow the laws so I WONT be registering it at all.. and if I ever get caught not registering it.. NOTHING happens to me due to my constitutional 5th amendment right (Haynes vs the US)

    Option 1 will NEVER happen Repeat after me.. Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws, Criminals dont follow the laws,

    Has it sunk in yet that the criminals dont care about laws at all yet?

    Also you dont have to register Cars so another fail..
     
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    Your statement is false
    I said:
    Onus is on you to show firearms registration, as a condition of the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms under the 2nd Amendment, is consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation.
    And you can't.
    Absent said demonstration, registration preemptively violates the constitution.
     
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    WELL, GOOD: Woman Taking a Shower Hears Her Children Screaming, Then Shoots Home Invader Dead.

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    "A woman was showering when she heard her two children begin to scream."

    Bold:
    "Without hesitation, she raced to her bedroom, grabbed her gun, and ran into the hallway to face down the intruder."

    Prepared:
    "The mother bought the gun ten years ago."

    She promptly and effectively engaged the threat and stopped it:
    "She shot him multiple times because “he wouldn’t stop coming.”

    The criminal's career ends:
    "“I knew I’d be able to do it [shoot the intruder],” she said. “To protect my kids.”'

    Don't threaten a prepared mom's children.

    "You are your own first responder. When seconds count, police are only minutes (if you’re lucky) away."

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    You do, since I dispute it. And now I can only conclude that you can not, and so lost the argument.
     
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    There is no problem with that.
    The problem is that people want to get their hands on assault weapons. And it's in the name, "assaulting" has nothing to do with defending yourself.
    That and the entire theme that there are SO many guns owned by civilians in the US combined with the weakest laws for them.
    It causes that guns ends up in the hands of people who never should be able to have them. Guns also designed to assault, not defend.
     
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    Is English not your first language?
    The law I put up says perfectly fine that law abiding citizens can get their guns registered and criminals can not.
    This can potentially stop law abiding citizens handing over unregistered guns to people who are criminals.
    But since law abiding citizens do not have to register crap, it means the illegal flow of weapons to criminals happens.
    Cops got no clue where criminals get their guns from, because they are not registered.. and so can't prove a strawman purchases.

    How hard is this to understand? lol


    1) that would be dumb. But that's how gunregistration would work.
    2) The serial number isn't a sticker. It's whacked in and so leaves an invisible imprint of compressed metal under what you can see with your eye. You can see compressed metal with an xray.
    3) Haynes vs US doesn't apply in this example. Haynes was a CONVICTED CRIMINAL who could not put a gun registration on his name, and in your example you were NOT a convicted criminal.


    All this time, you've been pretending law abiding citizens can't be made to register guns, because Haynes could not. While Haynes was not a law abiding citizen, but an already convicted criminal.
     
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    Gun registration is not going to prohibit any law abiding citizen from not being able to bear arms, and so is completely according to the 2nd amendment. While criminals were already not allowed to bear arms, and so the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to them.
     
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    I don't.
     
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    Gun registration on a federal scale is illegal.
     
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    Gun registration wouldn't work. Nobody would register as it's a lose lose proposition for the gun owner and there would be no way to enforce it. Let's not forget it's also illegal.
     
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    Gun registration at any scale should be unconstitutional period
     
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    There are several sound arguments for the position that gun registration is unconstitutional
    There are zero sound arguments that it is not.
     
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    Yours is a statement of abject ignorance, or blatant dishonesty.
     
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    You speak from ignorance.
    It is perfectly possible to remove the S/N of many, if not most, firearms w/o a trace by drilling or cutting completely through the metal.
    See bellow, the S/N on an AR15 lower, stamped into the magazine well. The metal there might be 0.060" thick.


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    I agree but I'm one of those people that thinks all federal laws regarding guns are unconstitutional
     
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    So you're forfeiting your claim.
     
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    I don't care about your opinion.

    So much for your idea to grind.

    And you're not even responding to how Haynes doesn't apply in your example.
     
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    No any federal law regarding guns is an infringement.
     
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    Then why do you want to infringe on it.
    That's not a problem. Rifles are used in fewer crimes then bladed weapons. All rifles.
    that's why people like me use the correct term rifle and not the emotionally charged term assault weapon or a scary scary bang bang.
    Good. The law should be weaker.
    There's no gun designed to assault. Assault weapon it's just an emotionally charged term but people use to manipulate low information people.

    The proper term is rifle.

    If guns get into the hands of criminals no registration would stop that. The criminals simply wouldn't register their guns. Nobody with a brain would.
     
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    I don't care about your opinion.
     
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    I don't care about your opinion.
    I don't care about your opinion.
    I don't care about your opinion.
    I don't care about your opinion.
    I don't care about your opinion.
     

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