THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Something similar was said by the Japanese - Americans are fat, lazy and cowards. Then there was guadalcanal, Iwo Jima and Formosa.
    Germans had a similar mindset.
    Don't underestimate your enemy - that goes for your Chinese, Russia, Cuban and North Korean friends.
     
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    On the contrary, all MSM is fake news. Why, because the globalists own and use it as a tool of mis and disinformation. Ever heard of or known of Operation Mocking Bird? Probably not, you should look it up, Wikipedia acknowledges it. You might learn something, perhaps.
     
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    Once again, History lessons are meant as a learning tool, not a means to establish conspiracy stories.
    "MSM" wouldn't exist as a fake news hub due to libel and slander laws here in the states. They would instead be here then gone news sites like the ones you source.
     
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    Look up Op Mockingbird and learn.
     
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    Already know about it. Along with other CRT information the republicans would like to hide.
    Freedom of information act was a wonderful thing here, hence how YOU know about it...Where is the Russian version.
     
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    The whole thing has done a right royal job on you. The Republicans hiding sh!t? More like the Democrat's sunshine. Interesting how Biden and many other democrat family members have got dealings with dodgy Chinese and Ukraine businesses, in particular, Papa Joe's boy Hunter. Isn't he just a skid mark on the bedsheet of humanity?
     
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    Yep, all that was in the MSM.
    You are free to take advantage of that information, and invest as you see fit.
     
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    Yeah, of course, it was. Loud and proud and nothing gets done about it. That's the problem right there and you support it.
     
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    Money changes it. If someone wants change, they know what they need to aim for here where there is opportunity. Unlike in other places, where you must be born by the right person. Russia for example, which YOU support.
     
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    Its funny, this bot demands evidence, while he himself do not bring none, only empty statements. When You ask him for facts and evidence, in reply you get an additional dose of empty statements. But others should bring him evidence, aha.
    And Yes, Russian imperialism, chauvinism and Nazism do not showed up in February, it was present years ago and NATO did nothing. Now Ukraine is paying for it.
     
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    Then we can see, this bot walk around for months repeating like a chicken "Ukrainian Nazis, Ukrainian Nazis". When you show him not some mystical Ukrainian Nazis, but declaration of Russian government media, that Ukrainians are fake nation, that its elite should be killed, that Ukrainian state should be destroyed, that even name "Ukraine" should be erased from history in old German Nazi fashion, he suddenly lost interest about it. Why? Because he don't give a **** about Nazism, just as other bots here.
     
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    Never saw this **** in English internet, but in Russian internet it's popular - Russian chauvinists, fascists and just idiots heal themselves with fairy tales about how US is bad at military actions while they are super solders. Yes, when it comes to real action, they can't beat even week Ukraine...
    As we see here, this bot is spreading Russian information space statements, sometime he uses a derogatory name for Ukrainian "Ukrop", also common for Russian chauvinists, fascists and other idiots. So I'm almost sure, that Billy is not a redneck and never been to Arizona.
     
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    Yes, I was a bit surprised as well. I expected Russia to go in as NATO would and flatten everything in its path. Two weeks, a slaughter house and job done. But then I realized I was looking at it from a western point of view as a war of conquest and not a civil war.

    Too many Russian civilians in Ukraine to attack cities with no regard to loss of life and so arriving in Kiev within 48 hours, the Russians moved south east to begin to build the buffer zone against NATO. Wasn’t that what it was all about in the first place? The Ukraine army followed and on the way lost parts of its army in every battle it fought and lost. The Ukrainian general staff aren’t shouting “we’re winning”, that’s coming from the media and politicians. The Ukrainians are accepting volunteers and calling for more weapons and money because they’re barely holding on.

    The danger now is that western politicans see it as a sign of weakness and begin to get involved directly, in which case China will no doubt join in because if Russia falls, they know they’re next and there’s your WW3.

    Even before the war, as soon as the former Eastern Block countries became part of the EU, many of their populations headed west and our towns, cities and factories in the UK are packed with them. In the Ukraine, an estimated six to ten million are now heading west and two million east. That’s a brain drain and it’s not happening in Russia. It makes the US problem with Mexican immigrants look like chickenfeed.

    It’s not Russia that is collapsing, it’s we in the European west. Our economies are in recession or at best stagnating. Workers are beginning to strike in Britain. An energy crisis is looming and heating costs are soaring (by an estimated 54%!), as are food prices and inflation … We’re slowly heading for third world standards. Major energy producers like Russia will weather this out, we in the west won’t.
     
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    I understand which side you’re cheering for and that’s natural being where you are. I’m not cheering for Russia, I’m trying to focus on reality. Russia is not erasing Ukraine from the map, it’s concentrating on building a buffer zone against NATO. Don’t worry, when it’s over there will still be a Ukraine, reduced in size and minus the Nazi militias, but what’s left of it will still be there.
     
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    Russia openly declares, that their aim is to erase Ukraine from map, kill Ukrainian elite and made from rest of "fake nation" Ukrainians proper Russians, while this bot claim, that Russia, despite that it openly claim it, do not have this aim, and he is trying to focus on.... reality. Someone will say, that we do not deal with bots here?
     
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    YT has some other nice stuff:

    Why vatniks lose that war ...

     
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    Your response is irrelevant to what I've stated, so be it. Just proves how you've bought the lies, deceit and deception.
     
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    Where did NATO act like this, and how much was slaughtered in these 2 weeks? Aa, ok, I understand, again bot do not have an answer, just empty statements.
     
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    He invited with NATO forces in Syria and killed millions there within months, sure thing he was in UK army. :)
     
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    No inconsistencies here. :D
     
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    Lol. The first weeks proved that it isnt about that and we see Russians give a **** even about their own losses, the decimation of Ukrainians is one of the goals of their operation. They tried to conquer Kiev, but failed miserably, cause they were not even aware of the miserable state of their army, the miserable moral of their soldiers, their unpreparedness when it comes to logistics.

    This is utter nonsense, things are running smoothly for China (despite all problems they have), its the wet dream of the typical RT-victim China will come to rescue. At the moment, China will see some developments with eaase, e.g. the European people slaughtering each other taking away some capacities of the US to have a look at that front will be nice for them, but in the end Russia isnt playing their game. China was on a good way to become the leasing power of Eurasia controlling the trade routes, some of which Russia destroys now irreversibly thus making Europe again dependent from the US again.

    If China is to step in for Russia that will come to a price (large parts of Siberia) and Russia becoming a vessel state dependent from Chinese command. They wont risk their own game for some lunatics in the Kremlin. This is where I see Russia, as a North Korea (which is also a Chinese vessel state). Another approach for China would be to backstep them and just take what they historically always saw as theirs when the time is right to do it riskless. The idea that China gives up its compfortbale position for a looser ally which cannot deal with the Ukraine itself is ridiculous.



    Yes it was the migration of poor people at this point. These coutries made a huge step in economical development (unlike shithole states controlled by Russia like the Ukraine was under Viktor Yushchenko) but they recovered from it. The same happened with Russia itself by the way. A shrinking population which average age was rising. But its noghing compared to the exodus we will see in the coming years with Russias economy shrinking about 10% each year even according to their own cosmetics. We see the first steps right now and its not only the West. Even what we would have called a shithole state before looks like utopia compared to Russia. Who cannot make it to the US or Western Europe will set his sight on Kazakhstan, India or other goals.

    This happens to a country which was suffering from that development even before, old people staying, young people going. Now young men there can die in a senseless war in the Ukraine and even if they dont fear or get through this war without any brain damage or crippling, they find themselves in a country, which economy will shrink for deaced under boycot. Again, lets take other super powers as comparison, Russia wanted itself to compare with. The US with a growing young population of over 300 million people, or China which can have problems with an overaging population, but we talk about 1.5 billion (!!) here! Russia with a shrinking population of under 150 million, per capita not anywhere near the productivity of the average US American.

    Oh, why might that just happen ... hmmm

    Despite all cosmetics Russia is at an inflation of 16% :D

    Which is the least of their problems, I mean I wouldnt like to be in Turkeys position with 80% inflation, but still compared to Russia the perspective of Turkey is brillant. Other gas producers will step in with time, of course this winter there will be an energy crisis, but dont think for a minute, other gas producers wont fill the gaps on the long run. By the way fossil energy should be reduced on the very long run for other reasons.
     
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    @Glücksritter

    I suppose we just see reality in different ways. I don’t see a decimination of Ukrainians, in fact I see the Russians purposely avoiding attacking built up areas, such as Kiev. I don’t see collapsing morale among the Russians, hardly surprising as they’re winning. I do see China getting involved if NATO were to join in and I don’t see Europe becoming dependent on US energy, which itself imports from Russia. In fact, if the US was energy dependent with a surplus, it wouldn’t have gone into the Middle East to try to control the oil supply there.

    I suppose the reason why I don’t agree is because I don’t blindly follow the main stream media. After the melting ice caps, Greta and the Covid scare, it’s not really a place to get news from or believe anymore.
     
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