Is this suspect-if guilty-a sound reason for a death sentence

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/202...AWeyalEi9SYJ0umtHHg62vsEe1S8R5QEl0B-nGKY2KalA

Guy did years for kidnapping, gets out and is alleged to have kidnapped and murdered someone. I generally do not support the death sentence but this sort of case is a tough one-though there is a good argument the mope should have never been out of prison in the first place

 

Scum of the earth deserves to be executed

 

Kill him.

 

Unless it's children I am against the death penalty, but I am not against a good prison beating

 

If he would have been properly charged, and sentenced, and not let out early, he would not be walking among us.

Starting at 12 years old:

Sometimes we have to make value judgements on who’s life is more valuable.

Lastly, can’t they find a better photo of that poor woman?

 

When I was younger I might have agreed with you, but I've seen too many POS's to make the distinction anymore.

 

No, but it's not like I'm for the death penalty even in especially heinous cases. Life in prison is fine. Execution is barbaric, a mark of an uncivilized and vengeful society. But we do have to keep people safe from those who won't stop victimizing others. Hence life in prison. It's not really about what people deserve, it's about what sentence accomplishes worthy societal goals best. Execution normalizes killing other human beings - makes it so that killing seems okay if there is sufficient cause. That's the same kind of thinking that allows premeditated murder to begin with. Many murderers feel their actions were justified, and execution shows that even the government believes killing helpless people who are no longer a threat (prisoners in cuffs) is sometimes justified because they "deserve it." How many people haven't thought their enemies "deserve" to die but don't act on it because they believe killing is wrong? But execution communicates that killing isn't wrong, it expands the realm of acceptable killing of other persons. Further, whenever you allow execution, you increase the risk of getting it wrong with no chance to fix it (unlike life in prison, where people have been exonerated many years later by, e.g. advances in DNA evidence). And it turns out to be more expensive to allow execution than life in prison, largely because of the extreme cost associated with minimizing executing innocent people via the appeals process. Execution also doesn't deter people given life in prison is an extreme cost to most people anyway. If the wrongness of murder doesn't deter somebody, it's the chance of getting caught and facing heavy consequences. Since the consequences are very heavy either way, it's all about whether they think they can get away with it, assuming they think about consequences at all. Thus deterring murder is all about making sure almost nobody gets away with it - of course the challenge is then in avoiding convicting the innocent.

 

I support the death sentence for more than just murder. I support it for rapists and women who lie about being raped. I also support it for child abusers.

 

I heard the guy volunteered for the live trials at the Anthony Fauci Gain of Function experimental foundation....

 

Execution doesn't "normalize" the killing human beings who have committed capital offenses. You forfeit you life if you purposely deny someone else's there under a capital crime. And it is done under VERY strict standards of application. It is not vengeance it is punishment and ridding society of that person so they can not commit another such crime and society does not have to support them for the rest of their life.

 

I'm not saying that normalizing killing via capital punishment makes murderers actually justified in their reasoning for murder, it just makes it easier on them. How can killing somebody who deserves it be wrong when the government does it? It's harder for somebody to justify killing their enemies if the government doesn't even execute the worst offenders.

I get it, but I'm only interested in results, not in making things even. Forfeiting freedom for life is essentially the same in terms of protecting society.

It's more expensive to execute them because of the appeals process that is necessary to avoid executing innocent persons. Execution has no advantage in deterrence either. The only real advantage is it makes vengeful people feel better, i.e. catharsis. I guess that's something, but it doesn't justify the costs to society of using execution.

 

I never will for the following reason

read the Book The Onion Field

 

I don't think murders care a twit about it but some who know that if they get caught could recieve the death penalty does not encourage but DIScourages such acts against society. It's not "wrong" when the government executes someone WHO HAS TAKEN AN INNOCENT PERSONS LIFE during the commitment of a capital crime and after that person has been formally charged, indicted by a grand jury and brought before a jury of their peers where they have a presumption of innocence and get to face their accusers and mount their defense. To compare that to someone who walks into a 7-11 pulls out a gun and murders the clerk while robbing the store is folly.

No it's not, lot's of murders get out of jail legally or illegally and commit crimes while in jail.

I don't care about the $ cost.

 

Those of us who are peaceful and law-abiding think of life in prison as daily hell on earth. We think of it as constant, never ending suffering for a crime. And therefore, some of us think that a life sentence, with no possibility of parole, is justice served. And those people therefore see no reason for capital punishment.

The problem with that thinking is that those folks are not taking into account what really happens to prisoners serving a life sentence. What happens is that they slowly adapt to prison life. Instead of the outside world, the prison environment becomes their world. We say they become institutionalized. Over time, they become used to the routine. And they enjoy the things they can enjoy. Some examples:

Friends, interaction and association with others
Exercise and sports
Educational pursuits
TV and books, magazines, and newspapers
Visitors
Letters and phone calls
Prison jobs
Sex and romance (conjugal visits or a prison romance)
Drugs
and all the necessities of life taken care of.

It is a different world than what we're all used to, but it's their world, and they make the best of it.

And so, when I think of what a life sentence is really like, and I measure that against the heinous, premeditated crime they committed - like in this case - I ask myself if a life sentence is really "justice served". And my answer is no, it isn't.

When I think of the life we are about to provide for this murderer, I can't help but to believe we are cheapening the life of the victim, and I do not believe we are doing justice for the victim. And this is why I support the death penalty for cases such as this one.

 

I think his history may be a factor when considering a punishment, but the overriding factor is the crime itself. This kidnapping and murder warrants a death sentence, regardless of his history, in my opinion.

 

Once it's conclusive that he is the killer et al, pull that switch. Quite sad for this lady of vast family means teaching children to end up this way.

 

The great thing about the Death Penalty in general terms is if the person turns out to be innocent you can always bring them back to life.

 

When I was in college I wrote a paper about focusing on rehabilitation in the justice system as opposed to straight up punishment. I still believe that rehabilitation should be a primary focus but the years have colored my optimism quite a bit. There are, without a doubt, people that can not be rehabilitated and, frankly, are better off in a highly regulated system.

The death penalty does not seem to be a deterrent but a 30-06 round costs less than $2 while keeping some serial rapist/hatchet murderer in jail for decades costs a ton of money. The economics of the death penalty in cases where rehabilitation can come only at the hand of God leads me to believe that helping that poor soul meet his maker all the earlier benefits everyone.

 

I don't think it makes a big difference for life in prison vs death penalty in terms of whether they choose to commit the crime. Both penalties are huge. It's more about getting away with it (assuming, again, that they give it forethought at all - some do some don't). No penalty vs huge penalty is the deciding factor in deterrence here. If it's a non-emotion-driven crime and we're talking about a minor fine, then the severity of punishment could come into play.

You're asking the wrong questions then. It doesn't matter what I think is wrong or what you think is wrong. The perspective of the murderer is what matters. We want them to make a different decision. From their perspective, his wife that slept with his best friend has committed a serious crime against them. They are not an "innocent person" from their perspective, or that guy who thought he could rip him off by selling him fake drugs. People who murder those who they feel have it coming are encouraged to murder by a society that tells that that killing is justified for more reasons than war and self-defense.

Life in prison without parole. Very rare for them to get out for any significant stretch. All this talk about innocent people and then you worry about them hurting each other in jail. You want to strap them down and have people glare at them and put them down like a rabid animal, but you worry about whether they hurt each other in jail? I mean, I do worry about it, and there are more punishments other than just being in jail, but as far as "innocent" society is concerned, they are protected by life in prison.

Fair enough, it's just people often allude to supporting them for life, while it's actually cheaper to do that than execute them. I'd rather see them work to give back to the victim's families, frankly.

 

If he doesn't toss up the guilty plea in exchange for life, sure I would support his execution upon conviction.

 

The death penalty isn't about revenge, it's about making sure there isn't a repeat instance.

A majority of homicides in this country are done by people who already have a history of committing violent crimes.

Death is no more cruel than putting someone inside a metal box for the rest of their lives.

The only reason it's more expensive is because of the people trying to stop it.

Once someone receives the death penalty, there's no reason to drag it out for decades. Making them sit on death row for year after year is far more cruel than getting it over with.

Someone who does something like this not once, but twice, not to mention all the other felonies, is the travesty....not the death penalty.

This man is not just a threat to every person OUTSIDE the prison, he's also a threat to anyone INSIDE it.

These are the kinds of guys who kill the guy serving 2 years for ripping a mattress tag off or something stupid.

The only solution for stopping a predator is death.

 

The government doesn't condemn them to death.

A jury does.

The other thing that is never mentioned is that guys like this are the same people that kill other men in prison.

They deserve protection as well if they didn't commit some heinous violent crime.

 

I can't ever support giving the state the authority to murder people. We're never much far removed from the possibility that the easily manipulated masses will decide things we currently consider 'normal' are in fact 'horrible crimes'.

...I also have a problem with perpetually supporting the non-rehabilitateable in expensive prisons.

So I'm gonna opt out on this one. Hopefully some day we can have off-world penal colonies where those who insist on violence can have their own sort of society safely away from the rest of us. Until then, I wouldn't raise a fuss if this guy was found dead in a ditch somewhere and the local law enforcement decided not to expend a lot of resources trying to figure out whodunit.

 

The majority of violent crime is by repeat offenders.

 

A painless death is to good for people like this. I can never figure out why they use a sterile needle and an alcohol prep pad for lethal injection.