Gavin Newsom signs bill to keep California's last nuclear energy plant open despite environmentalis

Sir I'm just going to refer you to a famous documentary series called "The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" and leave it at that.
I can't believe you'd risk endangering the populace with giant rats, turtles, and rhinomen with that perfectly safe if you're not Lysenkoist Soviet regards form of power we've known how to use for the better part of a century now.

 

Hate to say it, but other than the homeless most of the people who died simply didn't listen to the warnings.
I recall a story about a woman whose child died. She let him sleep alone in his room, rather than pooling the family together in an inner walled room of the house. He died in his sleep because she wasn't there to help keep him warm.
There are many stories like that, of people who didn't take the most basic precautions.

 

700 people: How many of those were homeless?
How many of those took the basic precautions suggested by the state such as pooling all blankets, towels etc, wearing extra clothes to sleep, pooling body heat etc?
How many people would die when you winterize for a climate that is normally hotter than hell 9-10months out of the year, the power goes out because it gets too hot, and then they're cooking in their artic temperature winterized homes?

 

Cali, unlike Texas hasn't seen over 700 dead in a week because Corp profits meant more than protecting people.

They only had 4 deaths in 2011, then Abbott in Texas said hold my beer, 702 is the estimate at least

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/texas-winter-storm-power-outage-death-toll

Winter storm blackouts plagued Texas in 2011, too. Recommendations made afterward went unenforced.

A combination of those 2011 findings, as well as reports from the state grid operators that generators and natural gas pipelines froze during the current calamity and Austin American-Statesman interviews with current and former utility executives and energy experts, suggest a light regulatory touch and cavalier operator approach involving winter protections of key industrial assets.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ns-lacking-reports-have-suggested/4490501001/

 

Weird, ever hear of warming shelters? They couldn't do it because PROFIT DRIVEN Corps chose to take a reported (Forbes) $38 Billion EXCESS profits instead of spending the estimated $5-$20 billion to winterize their utilities!


GAWD SERIOUSLY YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT INSULATION OF HOUSES DO AND DON'T DO? Hint by insulating houses it keeps them warmer in winter and cooler in summer heat. GAWD

 

When's the last time it froze in LA?
What do your heatstroke deaths look like?
How about deaths by wildfire?
How many of those dead were homeless?
How many of those dead took basic precautions such as wearing layers to bed and piling on the blankets? Pooling body heat maybe?

 

Weird, ever hear that its hot as **** here 9-10months out of the year and doesn't typically freeze over so having Arctic circle level winterizing would be a bad idea 9-10 months out of the year?

What is "gawd"?
It only keeps them cooler if you have something providing cooling in the first place. If you winterize the utilities for an event that doesn't even reliably occur once a decade here, and make them less efficient/functional for 9-10months out of the year otherwise not taking in to account various events that cause high heat which are fairly common, you're going to get blackouts during the summer. When that happens, AC will go out. When that happens, people will cook indoors in the ovens you've made of their homes.
Freezes that cause power strain occur only rarely, and you can always put on layers to wait it out.
Heatwaves that cause power strain are a fact of life in Texas. If you increase the strain during heatwaves by designing the components to retain heat, or by setting up heating and cooling systems for them that run off of power, you're going to cause blackouts during the summer and kill a lot more people. You can only get so naked.

 

And what to they produce? Cars? Airplanes? Skyscrapers? World banking?
Green theft is what nightmares are made of.

 

Whataboutism? Seriously? After Corp profiteers took out excess $38 BILLION in profits, you are OK with over 700 dead in Texas?

You guys are funny

 

Good grief you sure like some Texas. Once the left was praising Texas because of them moving a significant portion to wind. Who knew TEXAS would have to buy deicing equipment during this world ending "made made global warming". Congrats on learning gaining a better understanding of what most understand, the ice age is worst for mankind than warming! Now do you want to discuss California committing itself to more electricity than it can produce or provide or not? Do you want to discuss where that imported electricity will come from? Do you want to discuss what the environmental impact of all those 100s of millions of batteries, solar panels and turbines really is, or would you rather think it all you do is plug in and the walla clean energy? It appears you have to believe in magic when discussing energy with the left.

 

Texas knew, many, many reports after 2011 crisis where millions lost power for 3 days, instead of 5. They chose profit over people though

Environmental impacts are smaller with those things than carbon energy, you should read about it

All energy sources have some impact on our environment. Fossil fuels—coal, oil, and natural gas—do substantially more harm than renewable energy sources by most measures, including air and water pollution, damage to public health, wildlife and habitat loss, water use, land use, and global warming emissions.
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/environmental-impacts-renewable-energy-technologies

 

When it is your intent to deceive you can fool someone once.

 

Disposal of nuclear waste was dealt with decades ago and the left refused to support nuclear anyway. Yucca Flats.

 

It does when you put it here

 

If the tech is improving as you say, then there is no need to drag anyone "kicking and screaming", or by any other method. We haven't rid our society of payphones because some politician set an arbitrary date to ban them, we got rid of them because someone built a better mousetrap. When the day comes that I can buy an EV that will go as far as an ICE, that will accelerate as hard, tow as much, and that I can fill from zero to full in 3 minutes on pretty much every street corner and Interstate exit in the country, then I'll buy one. Oh, yeah, it's gotta cost the same or less, too.

Same deal for solar... If I can put up some magic tiles on my roof that would allow me to discontinue my patronage with the local power company, I'm all for it. But these companies want half of what I paid for the house (though I will concede that due to a confluence off circumstances and timing, I got an amazing deal) for that service, if I won't sign a contract on their very first visit to my home, they want nothing more to do with me, and there is a serious problem with where the metals come from to make those magic tiles and what is to be done with them when their useful life is over.

These technologies that you guys want to implement yesterday, and under the force (that ultimately comes out of the barrel of a gun) of law are simply, as the saying goes, "not ready for prime time".

In the meantime, there is absolutely no truly justifiable reason, aside from misguided fear, not to be installing nuclear reactors dotted across the entire landscape.

It's green, it's clean, get used to it!

 

@Bluesguy.

Hi!.

FYI: Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository - Wikipedia

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

 

Left?

What does that known liberal state of Nevada think?


After hearing supporting and opposing arguments, 58 percent of voters said they opposed opening the facility including 51 percent “strongly” opposed. opening the facility, compared to 23 percent “strongly” in favor of opening it. Only a third of poll respondents favor storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain, with 23% strongly favoring the plan.”

https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/independent-poll-yucca-stadium-taxes-unpopular-voters

How about Texas?

ALTERNATIVES FACE OPPOSITION

Texas-based Interim Storage Partners received approval from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in September to store 5,000 metric tons at an interim facility in Andrews County, located in the Permian Basin region.

But Republican Gov. Greg Abbott has led Texas opposition against the interim storage site, facing federal court challenge, arguing against transportation of hazardous waste through the state and raising the specter that the facility could become a de facto permanent repository.


In a refrain heard for decades in Nevada, Abbott pronounced that “Texas will not become America’s nuclear waste dumping ground.”

Titus called Texas officials disingenuous. “They thought it was fine when they were trying to put it here,” Titus quipped.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-remains-in-debate-over-nuclear-waste-storage

 

LMAOROG

All these wastes can remain dangerously radioactive for many thousands of years. For that reason, they must be disposed of permanently, experts say. About a dozen countries, including Finland, Switzerland, and other European nations, are planning deep geological repositories for their nuclear waste. In the US, government officials have proposed storing the country’s waste in a repository beneath Yucca Mountain in Nevada. The site lies about 300 m below ground level and 300 m above the water table


...In Hanford alone, more than 200 million L of this waste still sits after many decades in underground tanks waiting to be processed, according to Thomas M. Brouns, who leads the environmental management sector at nearby Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL). About one-third of the nearly 180 storage tanks, many of which long ago outlived their design lives, are known to be leaking, contaminating the subsurface and threatening the nearby Columbia River. Another 136 million L of the stuff awaits processing at the Savannah River Site.

https://cen.acs.org/environment/pollution/nuclear-waste-pilesscientists-seek-best/98/i12

 

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Seriously? You "believe" that by insulating pipelines from cold weather will make them over heat in summer?

You "believe" by winterizing wind turbines they will not work in hot weather?

"How do you winterize a wind turbine?

Turbine blades can be prepared for severe cold through active systems, which heat the blades, or via a passive approach, such as coatings. Wind farm operators can buy cold weather packages that protect components such as the gearbox and motors as well through heaters in a wind turbine's nacelle."


Hadi Ghasemi, a mechanical engineering professor at the University of Houston and chief technology officer for Houston-based Elemental Coatings, said the way to look at preparing wind turbines for extreme cold is this:


“Basically it’s insurance on your assets. So you pay a small amount on these technologies – it's not that much – but you make sure that when you need them, they’re completely functional.”

Turbine blades can be prepared for severe cold through active systems, which heat the blades, or via a passive approach, such as coatings. Wind farm operators can buy cold weather packages that protect components such as the gearbox and motors as well through heaters in a wind turbine’s nacelle. The Canadian government says with these measures, turbines can operate in temperatures down to minus 22 Fahrenheit.

With no financial incentives for operators to winterize turbines or penalties for not doing so, Texas turbines were left at the mercy of the elements. Many ground to a halt.
https://archive.ph/NID7E#selection-2699.0-2703.4


ONCE MORE ESTIMATE WERE $5 TO $20 BILLION TO WINTERIZE THE SYSTEMS, GAS LINES THSAT FROZE, WIND TURBINES, PUMP STATIONS, ETC. Instead Texas utilities chose to make an EXCESS profit of $38 billion IN 9 DAYS according to Forbes as over 700 people died.

STOP YOUR NONSENSE

 

Wow strawman!!! We're all shocked that you would do that. Really.

Since you like bolding.

 

Got it, you'll stick with right wing BS vs listening to people who do it all the time to other wind turbines. I guess 700+ people dying because Corps put profit over people doesn't matter to you

 

No sh*t. It's called a "half-life", and it's got nothing to do with a video game. Look it up, you might learn something.

I don't know what those supposed experts are expert about, but it isn't nuclear power. Because such things cannot be "disposed of permanently", without violating the laws of physics.

Had you paid attention to the photo I posted, you would have noted that the silos holding nuclear waste are perfectly safe to stand right next to absent any sort of protective clothing at all. So, 1,000' underground hundreds of miles out in the middle of nowhere sounds quite safe to me. The CBO (or was it the GAO? Either way...) agrees, who stated the project was cancelled by the-President Obama for political reasons, not design or safety issues.

Holy crap, batman, reading is fundamental, and apparently you didn't do it properly.

This waste, which dates back to the 1940s, is related to the creation of atomic weaponry, not power. Unrelated fear mongering, just hoping nobody would call you on your BS.

 

The BS is that you "believe" that placing nuclear materials above a sight that has water flowing under it, and that 1,000 years, supposedly it will not spring leaks. Sure pipelines and current nuclear have all worked as promised without leaks right? lol

Yucca Mountain: Faster Water Flow Undermines Project Safety, UNR Geologist Says

A new scientific paper concludes water is moving through the mountain much faster than researchers previously had suspected. This may increase the possibility that groundwater in the region could become contaminated with radioactive elements.



About 90 miles northwest of Las Vegas, Yucca Mountain originally was designated as a potential nuclear waste storage site in 1983, in part because of its remoteness and its arid clime. With an average of about 6 inches of precipitation yearly, it’s the driest spot in the driest state in the nation.

About 2,000 scientists worked to design more than 60 miles of storage tunnels deep inside the mountain. They researched water movement, seismic activity, and corrosion risks to waste containers stored there. They calculated the risks of various possible problems at Yucca Mountain using complex math and assumptions about processes and even about some data. Even back then, they disagreed with each other on many points.

The scientists concluded the risk of a worst-case scenario — radiation released somehow into the air or getting into groundwater — was on the order of a million-to-one. That's the figure in the licensing application now before the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.


...But this latest paper calls that early research on risk into question. The author, geologist Scott Tyler of the University of Nevada, Reno, said water movement models used to calculate those risks are out of date. Measurements taken since then show water is moving much faster than earlier estimates had calculated. The public deserves to feel confident the project would work as designed, he added.

"Yucca Mountain could easily show some contamination in a very short period of time," added Tyler, perhaps within 100 years.
https://www.kunr.org/energy-and-env...-undermines-project-safety-unr-geologist-says

Weird Texas is fighting the "temporary" sight right?

But Republican Gov. Greg Abbott has led Texas opposition against the interim storage site, facing federal court challenge, arguing against transportation of hazardous waste through the state and raising the specter that the facility could become a de facto permanent repository.


In a refrain heard for decades in Nevada, Abbott pronounced that “Texas will not become America’s nuclear waste dumping ground.”

Titus called Texas officials disingenuous. “They thought it was fine when they were trying to put it here,” Titus quipped.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-remains-in-debate-over-nuclear-waste-storage

 

There is no path to substantially decarbonized energy that does not feature nuclear power as the central element.

 

Lack of rebuttal noted.