Just so I know, Election fraud claims are acceptable if they come from the left?

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  1. Nwolfe35

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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow, you read all 8 examples that fast? You just be THE FLASH
    So no matter how many examples, its clear you will have the same answer
    CREDIBILITY LOST
    go bug someone else, we are done
     
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    Not if they didn’t assault anyone or smash any windows it’s not.
     
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    So you think … even the most EGREGIOUS of offenses that day which would be assaulting an officer. Is even REMOTELY as bad as barricading people into a building and then trying to set it on fire? Are you being serious?
     
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    Seems like it was a lonel wolf who did it and was appropriately charged. I don't recall a majority of dems supporting the looting though or defending the individual who started the fire. When big crowds get together in tense situations, things are bound to get out of control, but its no excuse.

    Compare that to 1/6 who get sympathy and blame the violence on Antifa and have zero accountability.
     
  6. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can't expect them to ever stop talking about 1/6.
    They had HUNDREDS of riots and have been waiting, hoping and praying that Republicans would FINALLY do something similar. Well they got their prize and they are not gonna let it go!
     
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    No schitt. Thanks captain obvious.
     
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    It was just a protest.
     
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    1/6 was the Reichstag Fire for Democrats, and they are every bit as capable of having instigated it. The Dems are following it up with harassment of, and violence against, their political enemies as the National Socialist Party did in 1933, and for the same reason...to eliminate opposition and establish single party rule.
     
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    Permanent residents age 50 or older with at least 20 years of permanent residence can get U.S. citizenship without showing the ability to read, write and speak English. Under that rule, even illiterate individuals can naturalize.
    https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/exceptions-and-accommodations

    EVERY SINGLE STATE REQUIRES AN ID EITHER WHEN THEY SIGN UP, OR FIRST VOTE

    https://nationalhomeless.org/projects/vote/chart3.pdf

    Once more Dubya's DOJ did an unprecedented 5 year investigation of "voter fraud" (remember those US attorney's fired, 7 of them), they found less than 100 out of 300+ million votes in 5 years, most were ex felons who didn't realize they didn't regain their rights to vote yet

    The Justice Department’s Voter Fraud Scandal: Lessons

    In 2007, the Justice Department was upended by scandal because it had pursued a partisan agenda on voting, under the guise of rooting out suspected “voter fraud.” Its actions during the George W. Bush administration were well outside the bounds of rules and accepted norms of neutral law enforcement. In pursuing this agenda, DOJ political leadership fired seven well-respected U.S. Attorneys, dismissing some top Republican prosecutors because they had refused to prosecute nonexistent voter fraud. Top officials hired career staff members using a political loyalty test, perverted the work of the nonpartisan Voting Section toward partisan ends, and exerted pressure on states and an independent government agency to fall in line with an anti-voting rights agenda.

    Ultimately, the effort backfired badly. The U.S. Attorney firings touched off a wave of investigations that exposed just how partisan the Justice Department had become and how far it had strayed from its mission of neutral law enforcement. The result was the worst scandal to hit the Department since Watergate. The Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales, was forced to resign, as were other top DOJ officials. It also helped drive Karl Rove, President Bush’s chief White House strategist, from his job. Moreover, the Justice Department not only lost credibility with Congress, but it also lost in the courts, where judges repeatedly rejected the untenable anti-voter legal theories it had urged.
    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...stice-departments-voter-fraud-scandal-lessons

    Is voter fraud real, and why does the issue come up around election time every year, especially during presidential election years?

    Fraud committed by voters is exceedingly rare
    . But allegations of voter fraud are ubiquitous. They are almost always leveled by opponents when reformers seek to make it easier to vote, not just at election time. The specter of voter fraud is used to scare people and justify rules that make it harder to vote for that segment of the population that already votes the least – the poor, new citizen voters, young people and, most importantly, racial minorities
    https://www.rutgers.edu/news/voter-fraud-danger-or-myth

    What Research Tells Us About Voter Fraud
    https://evidencebasedliving.human.cornell.edu/2020/10/21/what-research-tells-us-about-voter-fraud/



     
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    DA's like to win cases. If they think the evidence is weak, then they can drop the case so that more evidence can be gathered. But you have to look at the facts.

    So far, only one person from January 6th has been acquitted. A majority have pled guilty to minor offenses, such as criminal trespassing. The ones now are facing serious charges. Some have requested jury trials, and some have waived jury trials and wanted the judge to determine their fate.

    You might want to read the link below from a Trump-appointed judge. They have been convicted, but not sentenced that I know of.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...s-major-impact-capitol-prosecutions-rcna46868
     
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    There is no official language under federal law, and a majority of states have determined what their official language is with some having more than one, like Hawaii.

    If you go to the IRS website, that can be translated into Chinese, Spanish, Vietnamese, Korean, Russian, and Hatian Creole

    https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/taxpayers-can-find-tax-help-in-several-languages-on-irsgov

    In some cases, it is better for a person to read in their native language for a better understanding, especially legal terms. And with today's technology, it is really no big deal.

    The other argument you are making is ludicrous. There are many Puerto Ricans, who are US Citizens, who do not speak English at all. That does not make them any less an American than you are. The applicant must check the box if they are a US citizen, but being a US citizen is not congruent on your ability to speak the language. If you never learned to speak another language fluently, you will never know the difficulty, as an adult, to learn a different language.
     
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    Hundreds of prosecutions await. For a group of approximately 2000 people from ONE event with one dismissal so far.

    Compared to an entire summer of violent protests, firebombs, burning of building, murders, attempted murders with tens of thousands of people and you got 99 arrests and prosecutions with 50 dismissals.

    And you’re telling me this isn’t politically biased?
     
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    Most of that was a state and local jurisdiction, such as private property destruction and so forth. Of the 18000 cases, the ones that were dismissed were misdemeanor offenses such as failure to leave or failure to obey a police command. These charges are routinely dropped for a variety of reasons if one has a good lawyer involved. The more serious ones have not been dropped by the state and they are slowly winding their way through the justice system and not being reported by local or national news. But they are there.

    The only time the federal government gets involved is if the riots damaged government property. When it comes to the Portland Federal Building, the destruction on the interior was done by the police agencies there, not the rioters. That may be the reason why the cases were dropped.

    What you need to do is look at each case, and its facts, individually before trying to install a Conservative version of CRT here.
     
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    You first.
     
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    How many dozens more investigations into election fraud do you need? 60 court cases doesn’t happen for no reason. All those court cases throwing darts at democrats, but you complain they never get investigated.

    How many hours did Clinton sit before Congress?

    I rate your claim: liar liar pants on fire.
     
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    Then how in the hell are they supposed to make an educated choice? A random, uneducated vote is worse... much worse... than no vote at all.

    Key word: "An". No proof of actual citizenship is required, homeless or otherwise. Only 5 of which require a photo, and, as previously explained, for the non-homeless, a utility bill will suffice. No cable company has ever requested a copy of my Birth Certificate or Passport.
     
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    No worse than Trump voters. But you were complaining about other languages right?

    Right wingers and their false premises, distortions and lies

    Hint just because the right wing has claimed vote fraud for 2 decades, doesn't make it true

    Paul Weyrich, "father" of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, Moral Majority, ALEC, and various other groups tells his flock that he doesn't want people to vote. He complains that fellow Christians have "Goo-Goo Syndrome": Good Government.

    "Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome — good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."


    In SCOTUS Arguments, Republicans Admit Voter Suppression Laws Like HB 531 Are About Preventing “A Competitive Disadvantage…To Democrats”
    https://fairfight.com/in-scotus-arg...ting-a-competitive-disadvantage-to-democrats/

    FLORIDA GOP LEADERS ADMIT VOTER SUPPRESSION WAS MOTIVE BEHIND VOTER LAWS


    https://www.kaporcenter.org/florida...ter-suppression-was-motive-behind-voter-laws/

    The GOP’s increasingly blunt argument: It needs voting restrictions to win

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...nt-argument-it-needs-voting-restrictions-win/

    NO PAYWALL LINK
    https://archive.ph/WaWHD


    Over the weekend, a video that went viral on Twitter showed Texas Republicans admitting on camera that the voter suppression legislation being pushed is to in fact suppress voters in Democratic counties and keep Texas red.


    https://texassignal.com/texas-republicans-say-the-quiet-part-out-loud/
     
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    Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud


    Political science professor Jonathan Rodden of Stanford University ran the numbers for the 2008 election, and found hundreds of precincts where John McCain received no votes - and some that gave no votes to Obama as well.

    "If we limit ourselves to precincts in which at least 10 votes were cast, there are almost 180,000" in the U.S., Rodden told me. "Of these, 477 gave every single vote to Obama, and 52 gave every single vote to McCain."

    Stanford's Rodden found in 2008 what I found in the data from 2012 - Mitt Romney shutout Barack Obama in a number of rural, mainly white areas in the South and Plains, while President Obama rolled up huge margins in big city precincts that were overwhelmingly African American.
    https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupr...s-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/


    Keep up the BS
     
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    CONServative "math"

    Fact check: Thousands of Black Lives Matter protesters were arrested in 2020


    A June 22, 2020, article from The Washington Post tallied over 14,000 arrests made since May 27. The Hill reported over 17,000 arrests had been made in the first two weeks of protests.

    Despite the large number of arrests, The Hill reported most of those protesters were booked not for violent crimes, but for low-level offenses such as violating curfews. Obstructing roadways and carrying open containers were other reasons for the arrests, as well as “failure to disperse.”
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-matter-protesters-arrested-2020/6816074001/


    Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters

    The AP found that more than 120 defendants across the United States have pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial of federal crimes including rioting, arson and conspiracy. More than 70 defendants who’ve been sentenced so far have gotten an average of about 27 months behind bars. At least 10 received prison terms of five years or more.
    https://apnews.com/article/records-rebut-claims-jan-6-rioters-55adf4d46aff57b91af2fdd3345dace8

    False equivalency between Black Lives Matter and Capitol siege: Experts, advocates

    "I don't see a parallel between the two," said Miller-Idriss. "I think making a connection that there was actually incitement of violence or that there's any equivalence in the violence itself, is just absurd."

    “What happened at the Capitol, you can't call that a protest anymore,” said Miller-Idriss. “That was a riot, it was sedition, it was an insurrection, a siege...it was a domestic terrorist attack.”

    Stark differences have been pointed out between the protests for racial justice and the riot stoked by unfounded claims of a stolen presidential election.


    ..."Donald Trump asserts his role as the leader of the right-wing militias," said Rosenthal. "Those people who call themselves 'patriots,' they have lived with the idea of a spark that would lead to the civil war ... it's been in their largely fantasy world for four decades. And suddenly, there is this summons from the president of the United States."


    ...Non-violent protesters during the summer faced brute force from federal officers, but rioters were met with minimal federal response.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/false-equ...atter-capitol-siege-experts/story?id=75251279
     
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    Absolutely, her claims are true and based on actual facts, not imagination and what ifs. BUT she actually chose to ive with the results as required by law and seeks to remedy the errors, errors that could very well be fraud.
     
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    From your AP link:

    “In Portland, Oregon — where demonstrations, many turning violent, occurred nightly for monthsafter a white Minneapolis police officer killed Floyd — about 60 of the roughly 100 cases that were brought have been dismissed, court records show.”

    which is where they barricaded people inside of a courthouse and attempted to murder them. Your link lumps EVERYONE together who got even a curfew charge and STILL could only come up with 120 federal charges. That’s from MONTHS of protesting and rioting, burning down peoples businesses, churches and homes along with violently assaulting and murdering multiple people with literally hundreds of thousands of people over the course of the entire summer and dozens and dozens of protests. The VAST majority of which walked free by being dismissed.

    Whereas there are HUNDREDS of charges still awaiting from one incident and less than 2000 people with ONE dismissal.
     
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    Cool next time don't have your side attack the seat of democracy and try an insurrection

    "In 2021 alone, so far, the police have killed 885 people."

    Most charges against George Floyd protesters dropped, analysis shows

    Some prosecutors and law enforcement observers say departments carried out mass arrests as crowd control tactic

    But some prosecutors and law enforcement observers charge that departments carried out mass arrests as a crowd control tactic, as a means to silence peaceful protesters, and as a public relations strategy designed to turn the public against demonstrators by making them appear more violent than they were. And what’s more – some of the citing officers never witnessed the protests in the first place.

    ..Officials did not file charges for nearly all low-level offenses, like disobeying curfews, while they most often pursued cases with strong evidence of more serious crimes, like assault or looting. Still, data shows that a majority of felony charges were also dropped, which some prosecutors said was due to a lack of evidence.




    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/17/george-floyd-protesters-charges-citations-analysis

     
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    I challenge you to name those prosecutors claiming a lack of evidence and let’s find out if they’re liberal or conservative.

    I’m willing to bet that >3/4 of them are liberal. Hell I’ll even say >5/6 of them are liberal.

    Moreover let’s find out how many of the ones who got convictions were liberal as opposed to conservative. I bet you don’t.
     
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