Ron DeSantis sends two planes of illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard

That is the bottom line here so very well stated.

 

So we see, in addition to Egotism, Impatience is near the top of your list of "winning" qualities. After I had, for your benefit, explained a procedure for properly excerpting a partial quote, so as to send the original poster a heads up, about your reply, I responded to your post, addressing mine, through an unattributed quote (except to anyone who randomly decides to check to see if your colored text is actually a link-- still the wrong way to do it).

Apparently you lacked the attention span to get to the point where I explained that your questions there, like these, are utterly moot, because my quote applies to the Homeland Security workers, not the immigrants (I wonder if you'll make it far enough, this time, to finally get a clue; anyone else care to speculate?).

 

Yet, I am now getting curious to see how long it will take him to grasp this fact,

Oh wow.
This is getting fun now.

Why is it so irritating to you that I have my own way of quoting text?

Tell me, do wear white after Labor Day?

If so, Why?

 

There are areas that are under a lot of strain and pressure from illegal immigration, and areas that are not. Not surprisingly the places that believe "no human is illegal" also have virtually no impact from the border crisis. Since the States don't have any legal basis to deport them (which is what should be happening) they can at least send them to communities that are both wealthy and claim they welcome illegals. Biden is using taxpayer funds to shuttle illegals all over the country. He's done it more and earlier than any border state governor, so do you think Biden shouldn't be moving them across the country? I cannot recall a single post of yours criticizing that, so if there is one, please point it out.

 

Their double standards know no bounds on the issue.

 

Biden is moving them from federal facility to federal facility, with the knowledge they are coming to that new location for the purpose of faster handling (spreading out the effort) I don't necessarily approve of this action, but there is a reason for it

SNIP
A spokesperson for Customs and Border Protection defended the move saying, “Several Border Patrol sectors have seen a significant increase in encounters in recent months.  In order to process individuals as safely and expeditiously as possible, unprocessed individuals may be transported via air or ground transportation to other sectors along the Southwest border.”
ENDSNIP

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...-migrants-who-cross-border-one-place-n1271211

For the MAGA crowd, this is called PLANNING... Feel free to look it up

Also, if Biden is moving them, why do the Bimbo Triplets think they have to as well?? To places it's clearly more difficult to expel them??

 

There is no planning going on regarding the flooding of our border with illegal alien invaders

 

And if the illegals like it where they are and want to stay there that’s kidnapping, right?

 

Sounds like you are reporting a tiny bit of the story and calling it the entire story.

Migrant surge overwhelms Border Patrol and shelters in El Paso

A new surge of migrants, primarily from Venezuela, is overwhelming the Border Patrol and shelters in El Paso, Texas, where nearly 1,000 have been released near bus stations over the past week in hope that they will find their own way to their next destinations in the U.S.


Besides being shipped to federal facilitates, they are also being just dumped. Although I'll give you some credit; it takes some brass to look at this cluster and call in "PLANNING... Feel free to look it up"

Lol!

 

Uh huh....then why is it done in the middle of the night with everything about it being hush hush?

 

Maybe this is why democrats want nothing to do with the illegals.

Venezuela Empties Prisons, Sends Violent Criminals to U.S. Border, Says DHS Report

A recent Department of Homeland Security intelligence report received by the Border Patrol instructs agents to look for Venezuelan inmates released from entering the U.S., according to a source within CBP.

The report, reviewed by Breitbart Texas, indicates the Venezuelan government, under the leadership of Nicolás Maduro Moros, is purposely freeing inmates — including some convicted of murder, rape, and extortion.

The intelligence report warns agents the freed prisoners have been seen within migrant caravans traveling from Tapachula, Mexico toward the U.S.-Mexico border as recently as July.


https://masscentral.com/venezuela-e...lent-criminals-to-u-s-border-says-dhs-report/

 

1) While "the border crisis" may, disproportionately, affect states closer to the border (though it is far from the truth, that all these illegal entrants remain near the border), nevertheless, illegal immigration, affects many states in the north. If you are one who does not believe there are lots of undocumented folks in NEW YORK, or Connecticut, for example, you don't know what you are talking about. My relatively prosperous, for its modest size, Connecticut city, has a population that is one-third Hispanic or Latino. And roughly a third of that number, are here illegally.

1B) I am not aware, and you have provided no supporting link, for your claim that Martha's Vineyard "claims they welcome illegals." I think it much more likely, that they say they welcome immigrants. Ironically, it is your fellow Conservatives who try to make the case that Democrats, are the ones who make no distinction, between these two.


2) What the states CAN do, which would guarantee that practically all of its undocumented workers will move to the next state, is get serious about punishing any who employ illegal aliens.

Notice this is something that is 100% within DeSantis's power-- unlike affecting any immigration action taken by either the U.S. Congress, or President-- and yet he has proposed no such thing. This shows that all your argument points, as they apply in this case, are just hot air. You are trying to provide a theoretical pretext for something that was not, by any means, done for the benefit of DeSantis' Florida constituents-- the people he had flown to Martha's Vineyard, by two chartered jets, were in Texas!

Further, if there was a scintilla of truth to the idea that this was done to protect Floridians, it stretches credulity too thin, to believe that even a dope like DeSantis, could think of no more economical way to rid his state of 50 asylum seekers-- assuming they actually had been anywhere near Florida-- than chartering two private jets, & flying them 1000 miles away.

Don't ya think?

 

I was off for a few days and when I come back, I was surprised that this thread was up to 27 pages? All over 50 illegals? The amount of outrage you feel is all out of proportion to what actually occurred, so I guess if you are on team DeSantis, this is a major victory. Imagine him flying 100 illegals! As it is for 50 illegals The National Guard had to be activated to deal with this "crisis."

This sort of hysterical reaction was probably the sort that DeSantis, dreamed of, but couldn't realistically believe that he would get, but here we are. As long as it's the policy of the Biden administration policy to take in as many illegals as they can wave across the border, it should be the policy of the border state governors to bus or fly as many of them as possible to every sanctuary city or any of the top 50 zip codes in income; places that actually afford the resources to deal with this influx.

I'd call this policy a success.

 

Abbott said buses aren’t stopping any time soon and Philly is on the list.

 

I am aware that there are arguments against fining employers for hiring illegal workers; the one you offer, however, is not one of them. Compared to the alternative you seem to favor, the building of a 2,000 mile long wall (and add'l expenses for things like sufficient surveillance of that wall, and backup personnel, to respond wherever some breach occurs), it would be quite the discounted deal, to merely create a government agency that takes responsibility for verifying all workers. You want to hire someone-- you put the required info about them, in the system. Be a little creative, in your thought: both voice and facial recognition technology is used for unlocking personal cell phones; why could not something like this be employed, by the government office? This would be, by far, the most economically efficient way of identifying illegal workers; and it could be nearly 100% accurate-- miles above any other method.

Oh, but the concern about government using our voices or faces, to enslave us all, right? So I guess we just have to put up a both visually and symbolically, hideous barrier along our entire southern border; extra deep, to deter tunnelling; extra thick, to deter fire blasting, with explosives; perhaps electrified, as well, because the energy to do that is so cheap(?)-- thereby leaving just our 3,000 mile northern border, and both of our coastlines (well in excess of 1,000 miles each): locked up, tight as a drum!

As for unintended bird deaths, from our high voltage deterrent: no big deal; preventing movement over the border by animals, we already know, would be signing the extinction warrants, on numerous species. And birds? Hell, everybody knows: BIRDS AREN'T REAL! The CIA replaced them all, years ago.

https://birdsarentreal.com/

 

Given that Martha's Vineyard has these signs plastered all over, it is obvious that they say they welcome illegal aliens. Given that they brought down 300 national guard to get them off the island within 48 hours, it is quite obvious what their real opinions are....... illegals are great for subverting communities and impoverishing you for our profit..... but whoa to anybody who brings them into our communities. The lawfair coming from the elites against DeSantis are monumental (possible DOJ action and lawyering up of half the illegals to sue Florida). They will do their best to make an example of him so that nobody dares insinuate that their communities have to adsorb a single illegal, subversion is only for their political enemies, not for them.

 

What BS
How can you spread untruths?? Or a more accurate word. LIES !!

Biden does NOT have a policy of taking in illegals

Biden policy has increased the number of illegals detained than the prior administration 4x

It is the message of the GOP that has caused the increase in attempts

Trump and the Qaloons put the message out world wide. They say “ the border is open”. The people of Venezuela here their message and pack their lunch and head out ..and deathsantis is confirming the news by buying them plane tickets ..

When in fact the border is NOT open and more illegals are being apprehended daily than ever

why don’t deathsantis worry about his home state and round up the illegals working on the tomato farms in Immokalee or the hundred of other produce farms spread across florida ??

People can spread all the lies and BS that makes them happy

but sane and informed people know this is nothing more than a stunt to get an early jump on 2024

people don’t seem use intellect when supporting a politician..they seem to only use emotions

people loved trump because he was outrageous

Trump will not be allowed the nomination of the GOP again ..so Qaloons and former trumpers will need a new messiah

right now deathsantis is running unopposed for president ..but the knives of the GOP are being sharpened ..Cruz, Abbott, Pence , Cotton ,Hawley, Haley are professional politicians that win elections despite the fact they have no connection to reality

Deathsantis barely beat a gay drug user to get the governors platform of a large state ..

It will be fun watching the other republicans go after him .

 

Just noting that you didn't rebut any of my arguments:
1) Did not provide supporting evidence of a central part of your initial argument--

Lil Mike said: ↑
... Since the States don't have any legal basis to deport them (which is what should be happening) they can at least send them to communities that are both wealthy and claim they welcome illegals.

2) Nor attempt to reply to my rebuttal of the other half of your original justification, of this action--

Lil Mike said: ↑
There are areas that are under a lot of strain and pressure from illegal immigration, and areas that are not. Not surprisingly the places that believe "no human is illegal" also have virtually no impact from the border crisis--

that illegal immigration, nonetheless, does impact many of the places that are, still (to their credit) against duping legitimate applicants for asylum, like these families.


3) Nor answer for the fact that DeSantis has not tried to do anything (ASAIK) to address the problem in Florida, with powers that he does have, for example, to target any Floridians employing illegal workers.

4) Nor answer to the fact that these "illegal immigrants (sic)" were in no way "straining" Florida's system, because DeSantis found them, in Texas.


So now, the fact that people care enough about other human beings to make this thread 27 pages long-- including all those posts, shilling for the DeSantis spin-- is enough for you to claim victory?

Well, good for you.
But you still offered a lousy excuse for a counter- argument.

That's OK. You can only do, what you can do.

 

Hard to believe I need to explain this to another adult-- oh, who am I kidding? As if a Trumper's fallacious ideas could really be a surprise, at this point-- the category which you highlight, "Refugees," are not "illegals."

I reiterate-- this time not for irony, but to demonstrate an apparent mischarging of liberals/Democrats, by conservatives/Republicans: that it is those of us on the left, who make no distinction, between immigrants, & illegal immigrants-- that signs point, if these two posters from the Right (Lil Mike & HockeyDad) are any indication, to that side of the political spectrum, being where we find people who have the most difficulty, distinguishing between these two groups, legal and illegal.

 

What is wrong with you, do you not follow the news? Biden raised his hand on the stage and stopped construction of the wall, he sent signals that even the presidents of Mexico and Guatemala acknowledged. And the reason Biden has detained so many illegals is 1. They accepted Biden’s invitation to come here, and 2. Ask for asylum once they get to the border and get taken in.

Border patrol agents are begging Biden to do his job and secure the borders of this country and he won’t do it. If you disagree, then tell us all the things Biden has done to secure the border and discourage illegal immigration. The number of overdose deaths due to drugs smuggled in should have you screaming your lungs out, especially when a particular marginalized and underrepresented group favored by liberals is being hit the hardest.

I have news for you, the buses loads of illegals being shipped to sanctuary cities ain’t stopping any time soon, and why would they? Look at the attention it brought to not just Biden’s open border policies, but the hideous and incredible liberal hypocrisy.

 

It bugs you when definitions are misused, eh? Then stop calling people fascists, racists, phobes, etc. as you’re completely distorting the definitions of those words and you do it intentionally. Your side mangles definitions and uses them as weapons. Can’t you tell we’re now playing by your rules? Get used it and more bus loads of illegals.

 

the only people impressed with deathsantis are the Qaloons and people that hate democrats

I stand by my statement and will not continue to repeat the facts to people that cannot separate facts from fiction

please show me where Biden or Harris said the borders were open

I remember Harris going to Central American and said do not come to the United States

What republican has said this??

 

It is getting interesting, at any rate. Since I already explained to you, the common sense reason for following the forum's protcols-- I have yet to get an alert of any of your posts, supposedly "replying" to mine, without letting me know about it-- how about you answer a question, first? Why would you think that the person following the procedure 1) which makes practical sense and 2) which he agreed to follow, when signing up as a member of this forum, should be the one who need offer an excuse for his behavior, as opposed to that onus of explanation, more rightly, falling upon the person who is breaking the agreed upon rules, followed by all here, to instead do things in a way that is manifestly both more confusing for readers, and less effective, in communicating with the intended addressee?


Let me take a wild guess about something: you are, at least in effect, a Republican, right? (And probably well to the right, at that ).

 

Quotes, please, in which I do the things you are alleging of me, while contending it is I, who distorts things. The only one I know of ever referring to as a fascist, is AmericanNationalist, who has claimed that, of himself! So why don't you take all the dingo dung you're slinging my way, right now, fill your phoney righteousness pipe with that poopy, and smoke it.

 

What is wrong with YOU? "Stopped" construction on the wall? Tell us all, then, Mr. expert, how much of the wall did Trump complete, in four years? I think all that mostly got done were some repairs on parts that had already been erected by a previous President-- was it Clinton (since you're the know-it-all)? Did even 1 new mile of WALL go up? I think it was mostly just fencing, wasn't it?

So, at the Trump pace, of less than one-quarter mile a year, what did it mean, to immigrants, to know that Biden would not be continuing "the wall?"

Wrong, again. If people asked for asylum, then it wasn't Biden's choice, to detain them: that is the legal process. However, one thing Biden did do, instead of having our border guards just turning illegal crossers around (to try to cross any other day), as was done under Trump's watch, 83% of the time: Biden continued the title 42 expulsions, not with 17% of those encountered on the border, illegally, but with 54%; and did not just dump them over on the other side of the border, but flew them thousands of miles away, to remote, southernmost Mexico, to encourage their heading back to Central America, instead of mounting another, now much more distant, new attempt, at breaching our border.

Some Homeland Security agents were among those, knowingly filling out false addresses, for the asylum petitioners, duped by DeSantis; so that one's finding a few Right wing screwballs, amongst a law enforcement agency, is hardly anything that proves whatever these few say, must be true. There have been Skinhead Nazi followers, in our armed forced-- does this make their perspective, something on which to hang your argument?

Putting aside how inconsistent you guys have been on law enforcement-- first the FBI guys who reportedly contradicted Cassidy Hutchinson, were beyond doubting; then the whole FBI was corrupt and needed to be defunded (if not even attacked); the Capitol Police; etc.-- how about, if you want to cite the border patrol as endorsing your argument, then you at least, you know, cite the border patrol. By that, I mean not just any wing nut agents, but some official spokes-organization. Or do your claims not pass any reasonable degree of scrutiny?