Former Transgender child speaks at press conference for MTG's 'Protect Children's Innocence Act'

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  1. FatBack

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    Children are not "trans".... They're just young impressionable and vulnerable and being manipulated by the sick adults around them.
     
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    so you support female circumcision too?

    I disagree, children should be able to sue their parents

    I would give the child the choice when they grow up, I would not force elective genital surgery on them
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LoL your second source, and the oldest study out there, says what I said:

    An important finding was that the incidence for observed suicide deaths was almost equally distributed over the different stages of treatment. Although the distribution showed that one‐third of the suicides occurred in people who were no longer in active treatment in our center, the other two‐third of the people who died by suicide still visited our center in the previous two years. About half of these last two‐third people were still in active diagnostic or medical treatment, while the other half completed their transition and only came for a medical check‐up. This indicates that vulnerability for suicide occurs similarly in the different stages of transition.

    I haven't read through the first, but I see it's by some "Transgender Equality" group which doesn't surprise me.

    Update: LoL. I went to the link for the actual study and the file "isn't found".

    https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/USTS-Full-Report-FINAL.PDF


    All you are is a headline reader.

    You should take your own advice.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Talk about someone who thinks they know something they don't:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2128676/

    In short, the circumcision of a penis carries almost no risk whatsoever, has numerous health benefits, and does no damage to sensitivity/function of the sexual organ. Not to mention the reduction in STD transmission to both men AND women.

    Female circumcision, on the other hand, offers no benefits and damages the functioning/sensitivity of the sexual organ as it most often involves removal of the clitoris.

    You should really take your own advice.
     
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    You really are fishing today. Bad day, huh? I mean, here you are advocating that children should make these kinds of legal decisions and agreements. Its like you have stock in transgender clinics or something.
     
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    Do you realize what you just said? You guys called us xenophobic racists for say less than that.

    Regressive? Chopping off body parts is regressive? It's barbaric and irreversible.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh man, did you really say that? Yes, you really did. So I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you believe teachers, schools and the other woke-a-holics should stay out of the sexuality of kids and just let them grow up naturally like we did.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As I've said many times before, my sister is gay, and while she's not an activist or anything like that, she STRONGLY believes there should be no T after LGB because being T is an entirely different thing, it's a mental issue and complete denial of reality. Complete.
     
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    you seem to be trying to have your cake and eat it too, you want to support some and not other genital mutilations

    nope, I am saying all should be banned and the child when old enough should make the choice for themselves, you're saying the parents should be able to decide for them before they are old enough

    I do not think a parent should be able to change their child's gender, that should be left up to the individual themselves when old enough to make that choice for themselves - if the parents force it on them, they should be able to sue the parents

    I am being consistent, you are not.....
     
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    Accusing us of what they are is a given.
     
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    Watching lesbians and transgenders get into fights is hilarious.
     
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    It’s literally in the conclusion
    And even a “decrease in suicide death risk in trans women.”

    It absolutely destroys your narrative that transitioning increases suicide risk. This has not been found.

    I guess good job skimming it to ignore what blows your lie out of the water.

    Post your source showing that suicide risk increases after transitioning vs the trans community as a whole.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have no idea what you think you disputed in my remarks.

    So you feel you have the authority to mutilate children because the reasons you posted?
     
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    LoL

    Try reading it again, much slower, and for comprehension.

    What the study says is that there has been a general decrease in the suicide rate OVER TIME.

    To conclude, in our clinic we observed no increase in suicide death risk over time and even a decrease over time in suicide death risk in trans women was found. Since the suicide risk in the transgender population is higher than the general population and seems to occur during every stage of transitioning, it is important that (mental) health practitioners pay attention to this risk and create a safe environment in which these feelings can be discussed at all stages of treatment and counseling.

    What it says about before, during, and after "treatment" the suicide rate remains unchanged.

    The only thing you've destroyed is yourself by being what you accused me of.

    LoL "skimming" indeed.

    What a laugh.
     
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    Well then let me help you figure out a simple statement:

    Male circumcision is not mutilation and has substantial benefits.

    Male circumcision has fewer side effects when done as an infant than as an adult.

    Let me know if I need to make it more simple for you.
     
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    Since you like to underline maybe you will comprehend if I do the same

    To conclude, in our clinic we observed no increase in suicide death risk over time and even a decrease over time in suicide death risk in trans women was found. Since the suicide risk in the transgender population is higher than the general population and seems to occur during every stage of transitioning, it is important that (mental) health practitioners pay attention to this risk and create a safe environment in which these feelings can be discussed at all stages of treatment and counseling.

    It is also disproving your claim that suicide rates increases after transitioning.

    What are you not grasping here and maybe we can try reading it together
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LoL.

    Thanks for that.
     
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    What do you believe the word mutilation means? Let’s start with the basics since going right to the point seems to not be connecting.

    Again, as you didn’t answer the question — So you feel you have the authority to mutilate children because the reasons you posted?

    If trans advocates can show there are medical and psychological benefits to transitioning early then you would also defend that practice as well as I am sure your integrity and consistency are above reproach.
     
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    You are very welcome
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's hilarious that you don't realize you're owning yourself here.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By posting sources that disprove lies. I have no doubt that someone of such high caliber confuses that with “owning”

    Show a study that proves transitioning causes suicide rates to increase. Second request
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure.

    Mutilation is the infliction of serious damage on something, like me mutilating your feeble attempts to read studies you don't understand.

    Male circumcision does zero damage and improves a males sexual health.

    Period T.
     
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    What you either don't understand, or are pretending not to understand in the feeble attempt to project a facade of being right, is that the study clearly shows the following:

    1. Transgender suicides from 1972-2000something didn't increase or had a small decrease over time.

    2. Transgender suicides at all stages of transitioning remain the same

    That you can't (or won't) understand that despite having it bolded, underlined, and spoon fed to you using your own source is, quite frankly, hilarious.
     
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    Cutting tissue from the body does zero damage?
    That’s fascinating

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7702013/
    https://med.stanford.edu/newborns/professional-education/circumcision/complications.html

    I guess your definition here is as valid as your definition of you “mutating” anyone’s arguments.

    Third time asking: So you feel you have the authority to mutilate children because the reasons you posted?

    If trans advocates can show there are medical and psychological benefits to transitioning early then you would also defend that practice as well as I am sure your integrity and consistency are above reproach.

    For you to be so sure of yourself you sure seem unable to answer very simple questions.
     
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    More nonsense.

    I've already linked the study that showed practically zero negative outcomes and the numerous benefits.

    I'd tell you to read it but obviously that's a lost cause.

    You're trying to equate cutting a useless piece of skin off to lopping off a penis or breasts.

    There are clearly no benefits to lopping off body parts as I've also proven that suicide rates pre and post op are unchanged.

    That isn't even bringing the lifetime of drug cocktails necessary to maintain the illusion into the equation.

    You bore me with your 1st grade arguments.
     
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