Could hydrogen fuel vehicles pass electric vehicles soon????

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Could hydrogen fuel technology surpass electric vehicles soon?

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  2. Yes

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  3. I sure do hope so!!!!

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  4. I sure do hope not.... I own shares in Exxon!!!!!!

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A hydrogen fuel vehicle that runs on tap water obviously could surpass electric vehicles rather quickly......
    Just like all of the rest of us the eight thousand five hundred wealthiest people on earth are divided..... some of them want to have a clear conscience........ and they actually want to release truly green technologies so........

    ... don't be shocked if we soon see a total paradigm shift in engine technology because behind the scenes word has it that the Stanley Meyer hydrogen fuel dune buggy was improved........ @AboveAlpha said so..... and his predictions on so many subjects were amazingly insightful that I have to take this prediction by him seriously as well.





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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I voted, "Hope so".

    People need the convince that ICE vehicles give.
     
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    Yep, hydrogen should be a key player in the future. This guy has a long way to go developing his idea, I read the films used are only good for 150 cycles and other issues, but shows promise. And it wasn't "banned" he had to get patents which can take time and such production of usable fuels for rockets has to be approved and other certain restrictions to prevent sales to foreign advisaries,

    In the mean time small localize nuclear generators to supply the electricity to produce hydrogen and even some of the other smaller hydrogen generation at local fill up stations in a fuel cell car beats EV's hands down.
     
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    I thought hydrogen fueled vehicles used propane?
     
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    I believe some got multi fuel designs.
    Hydrogen, methane, propane, maybe butane too.
    The engineering allows vehicle to adapt
    automatically.
     
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  6. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you for that comment Moi621.....
    so can any existing hydrogen fuel vehicles with a second engine be adapted to CANADA??????
     
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    Propane and other natural gases are a source for hydrogen.
     
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    Dream on. Democrats won’t let anything succeed that they can’t control.

    They can control EV, they are all networked, they have short range.

    Other technologies are not networked and Have long range.

    Democrats want to control you and keep you bottled up. They are also deeply invested in EV and solar panels, they’ve spent 20 years setting up their kickback and payoff scheme. No way they will let something like hydrogen cars derail their scam.
     
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    ~ Hydrogen fuel is a good idea — which is why government ignored it.
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    The Green Deal solar power car
     
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    Just how will that work, specifically?
     
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    Same way solyndra turned out but 2000 times bigger.
     
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    You are correct about being obtained from normal hydrocarbons (ie- fossil fuels). However, that's pretty much the nutshell of the problem with hydrogen as a fuel. Hydrogen doesn't naturally exist very much on its own as a free molecule. In order to get hydrogen, you have to remove it from other molecules. Quite typically through electrolysis, which in turn needs a whole bunch of electricity to happen. And hydrogen as a fuel pretty much sucks because if I recall right the inherent energy of a hydrogen molecule is only about 10% of the potential energy in a diesel or gasoline molecule.

    Which all means that obtaining free hydrogen makes getting it virtually worthless.

    Like all "alternative fuel" schemes the devil is in the details. And currently for vehicles there's nothing better than good, old petroleum.
     
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    Your reply is quite brilliant really but.......
    there is more to the entire topic and one theory on why the STANLEY MEYER HYDROGEN FUEL DUNE BUGGY DID NOT violate any laws of thermodynamics was that... perhaps Stanley Meyer's method was taping somehow into Energy from Quantum Vacuum?????

    That is just one theory.... I don't know if that is the correct theory or not.. .but....
    the Stanley Meyer hydrogen fuel dune buggy that got a hundred miles per gallon on tap water.....
    sure did attract a lot of attention..... and some of that attention was by people who would tend to think nothing of dealing with Mr. Stanley Meyer with extreme predjudice.......


    http://www.theorionproject.org/en/hydroxy.html





    https://steemit.com/energy/@anwar78...turning-down-a-billion-dollars-to-sell-patent




    Energy From Quantum Vacuum is based on String Theory and explains how free energy is there within all matter in existence.

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
     
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    Yeah. There's all kinds of ideas out there like that, if only you can find enough unobtainium to make it practical.

    Speaking of that, I'm an automotive engineer and I once had an uncomfortable confrontation when I was working a trade show in DC with a guy who claimed to have a Tesla museum that had a Tesla "water car" and he was (aside from being nuts) really upset with me, my kind, and the entire span of my industry because somewhere along the way we had suppressed the invention for profits. One of the many goofy highlights of my career.

    BTW, you aren't that guy are you?
     
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    If only they knew that these so-called suppressed breakthroughs are really no more sophisticated than a Freshman college project. These ideas are not new or mysterious or revolutionary. They are solutions entertained by many students as a normal course of their education. But then they learn why these are not solutions as they get more advanced training.

    The internet is a medium for perpetual Freshmanitis.
     
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    Hydrogen is a beautiful option for internal combustion because the emissions are nothing but pure water. But Hydrogen is a terrible option when it comes to efficiency. The use of hydrogen would require that we use more energy rather than less.
     
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    Unless.. the Stanley Meyer technology somehow tapped into Energy from Quantum Vacuum..... which is one of the explanations for how his hydrogen fuel dune buggy did NOT violate any laws of thermodynamics.
     
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    Or... billionaires offer to buy the patents so that they can be suppressed..... and if a billion dollar offer is refused.... then more drastic steps may perhaps be taken......... if the threat to certain companies is considered to be great enough........ look at how they fought against Ivermectin..... why...... because if doctors were free to prescribe it they could have made as much money off the jabs........
     
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    It can be made relatively cheap with wind powered hydrogen plants in the sea.
     
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    When we have 50% extra energy to spare, that might make sense. But the immediate problem is how to supply the power we need.

    Electric to electric cars is over twice as efficient as going from electric to hydrogen to internal combustion. Hydrogen fuel cells on electric cars will be great when they don't cost half a million dollars.
     
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    Half a million?
    Try 50k

    https://www.toyota.com/mirai/
     
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    Yes!
    Like whoopee
    enjoying the ocean's edge.

    in a dune buggy. :hmm:
     
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    Wow....thank you for that link!
     
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    Propane is a good transition fuel. In theory, an engine that runs on propane is about 99% of an engine the runs on hydrogen. Its just a matter of swapping the fuel and probably re-tuning the air-fuel mix (hydrogen stores a lot more power than NG). This is the route I plan to go in my own DIY conversion.
     
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    The real answer is "no", hydrogen cell-oriented sales will not overtake electric sales "SOON", but yes, I hope for that, along with 'hoping' for a lot of other things that WON'T happen "soon".

    Right now the hyperliberal Left is in the driver's seat (so to speak), and they're pushing all this electric vehicle stuff as fast and as hard as they can -- even to the extent of giving people money to buy the vehicles in the first place, and, then providing quite a large number of FREE charging stations for them! How can any other new technology compete with something as lopsided as THAT...?

    In the future, electric vehicles equipped with much more efficient motors and batteries with a whole, gigantic hell of a lot of storage capability will become mainstream, and that will be a good thing. But that won't happen "soon", either. :lol:
     
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