Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Giftedone

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    Come on now Mitt - your track record of answering tough questions is abysmal - who are you trying to fool ?! - Who is the "ignorant/incoherent" -- You have yet to tell us the name of God of Abraham and answer questions about why this God is the Chief of the Canaanite Pantheon :)

    Brother Todd is still waiting for your to address the Child Sacrifice to YHWH --- by King Solomon - he was unaware but you have left him in the lurch .
     
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    I detect a hint of jealously here Beast. Why didn't you become one of them and make millions yourself?

    You know they being on your TV six days a week doesn't mean you got to tune in and watch them Beast. Couldn't you have just shut them off by not tuning in to their channels?... Of course you could've.

    Ok Beast thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    God has already revealed (showed up) Himself to mankind some 2,000 yrs. ago to save mankind from the destructive power of sin, when God Incarnate (Jesus Christ) came into world in human flesh. Does our Lord Savior Jesus Christ ring a bell?...hello!

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said, 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, 29 for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else.[a] No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand. 30 The Father and I are one.” John 10:28-30 NLT

    And our Lord Savior Jesus Christ shall return one day...we don't know when but He promised us He shall return!

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said, 36 “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself.[a] Only the Father knows.

    37 “When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. 38 In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. 39 People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes. Matthew 24:36-39 NLT

    Ok thanks Gift for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    Thought to revisit this exchange - as the question - despite your inability to answer - must be of interest no doubt - as it is to me ..

    So Brother Mittopolis .. The God of Jesus - Who Dat ? - and who the God the Magi High Priests presiding over the cerimony - come see baby Iesous

    Names Mitt - don't you know the story ? The 3 Magi from Persia -- you know don't you Brother Mitt - The Story of the "Annointed one of God"

    Now tell me -- you are not the least bit interested muuuaaaahhhhhh .. haaaaaa haaaaaa ---- a little speck of light snuck in :) but we won't tell Todd just yet ..
     
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    Well Above truth be told, we are all sinners, we all have done wrong in our lives. None of us are perfect and so yes indeed some people are crazy, some people are really crazy, and some people are really really crazy...have you met my friend ed? If you have then you know what I mean...lol

    But anyway one just need to turn on the tele at night to watch the evening news to see all the craziness/crimes/evils going on every single day. There is not a day that goes by that everything went by just so calm & peaceful.

    We Read in Scripture:

    10 As the Scriptures say, “No one is righteous—not even one. Romans 3:10 NLT

    Well Above you might just be expressing your biases here, I mean when you heard the words "intelligent design" alarm bells went off in your head to remind you of God who is associated with the words "intelligent design" and because you don't believe He exists naturally you weren't going to like those "intelligent design" books developed for kids....am I right?

    But anyway speaking about intelligent design, that is what Our Creator Almighty God did when He created every thing in existence...whoa!...such awesome intelligent design power! I like especially what gfm is quoted saying below so I want to share it with you:

    Well you know Above, these verses I will present below have been proven/verified by science to be true, which pretty much validates the Bible as being the inspired Word of God. So as you will see here science is backing the Bible by confirming these following verses to be true.

    We Read in Scripture:

    22 God sits above the circle of the earth. The people below seem like grasshoppers to him! He spreads out the heavens like a curtain and makes his tent from them. Isaiah 40:22 NLT

    (Science has confirmed the shape of our planet as round. How could Isaiah who lived approx. 2700 years ago know this if not for God telling him this fact about the shape of our planet as being round.)

    5 Food is grown on the earth above, but down below, the earth is melted as by fire. Job 28:5 NLT

    (Our planet's core is hot and this verse 5 in Job 28 mentions it. Again how could the author of the Book of Job have known this if not for God telling them about this fact approx. 4000 years ago or so.)

    7 God stretches the northern sky over empty space and hangs the earth on nothing. Job 26:7 NLT

    (Earth indeed floats in space. God told the author of the Book of Job this fact approx. 4000 years ago or so.)

    7 Rivers run into the sea, but the sea is never full. Then the water returns again to the rivers and flows out again to the sea. Ecclesiastes 1:7 NLT

    (Water changes state, the water cycle, also known as the hydrologic cycle, is a well-known phenomenon.)

    6 The Lord’s home reaches up to the heavens, while its foundation is on the earth. He draws up water from the oceans and pours it down as rain on the land. The Lord is his name! Amos 9:6 NLT

    (This verse in Amos also mentions water changes state.)

    27 He draws up the water vapor and then distills it into rain. 28 The rain pours down from the clouds, and everyone benefits. Job 36:27-28 NLT

    (These verses in Job also mentions water changes state.)

    7 He causes the clouds to rise over the whole earth. He sends the lightning with the rain and releases the wind from his storehouses. Psalm 135:7 NLT

    (Another example here in Psalm 135:7 of water changes state.)

    14 “Build a large boat[a] from cypress wood and waterproof it with tar, inside and out. Then construct decks and stalls throughout its interior. 15 Make the boat 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high.[c] 16 Leave an 18-inch opening[d] below the roof all the way around the boat. Put the door on the side, and build three decks inside the boat—lower, middle, and upper. Genesis 6:14-16 NLT

    (According to geological evidence, the Great Flood of Noah might have actually happened. The ark would have worked, it turns out, the math is correct. According to calculations made by physics students at the University of Leicester in 2014, the ark would have actually floated and safely carried pairs of each animal species through the flood.)

    22 And as the stars of the sky cannot be counted and the sand on the seashore cannot be measured, so I will multiply the descendants of my servant David and the Levites who minister before me.” Jeremiah 33:22 NLT

    (There are countless stars in the sky. Sure, we know that the universe has a lot of stars. And by a lot, we're talking about up to a trillion stars per galaxy. And it's estimated that there about 100 billion galaxies in the universe!)

    41 The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory. 1 Corinthians 15:41 NLT

    (Not all stars are created equal. The stars' brightness or magnitude varies.)

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said, 35 Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear. Matthew 24:35 NLT

    (Celestial bodies don't last forever We now know that stars and other astronomical bodies die. Science has confirmed this, but the Bible also mentions it as we note here in Matt. 24:35.)

    3 By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen. Hebrews 11:3 NLT

    (The universe is made of invisible particles. It sounds like the Bible is talking about atoms. Protons, neutrons, and electrons on their own are invisible to the naked eye. Atoms make up pretty much everything, including us.)

    48 As Goliath moved closer to attack, David quickly ran out to meet him. 49 Reaching into his shepherd’s bag and taking out a stone, he hurled it with his sling and hit the Philistine in the forehead. The stone sank in, and Goliath stumbled and fell face down on the ground.

    50 So David triumphed over the Philistine with only a sling and a stone, for he had no sword. 51 Then David ran over and pulled Goliath’s sword from its sheath. David used it to kill him and cut off his head. 1 Samuel 17:48-51 NLT

    (A small boy defeating a giant might sound unlikely, but the story of David and Goliath in 1 Samuel 17 says otherwise. David could have actually defeated Goliath. A slingshot might not be the most powerful weapon, but the stones from Elah Valley were made of barium sulphate, which is extremely dense and these would have easily hurt Goliath. But there's more. Being a giant, Goliath likely suffered from acromegaly (overproduction of growth hormone). This can cause problems with vision, and peripheral vision can be limited, which would have been handy for David.)

    6 You clothed the earth with floods of water, water that covered even the mountains. Psalm 104:6 NLT

    (There are mountains underwater. These landforms are actually called seamounts, and are mentioned in the Bible here in Psalm 104:6.)

    11 for the life of the body is in its blood. I have given you the blood on the altar to purify you, making you right with the Lord.[a] It is the blood, given in exchange for a life, that makes purification possible. Leviticus 17:11 NLT

    (Creatures can't live without blood. Most of us are familiar with the Adam and Eve story of the Bible. Humans have, in fact, a female biological ancestor called Mitochondrial Eve, which precedes our species (Homo sapiens). There is, however, one thing that connects all us living creatures: blood.)

    5 On the seventh day the priest will make another examination. If he finds the affected area has not changed and the problem has not spread on the skin, the priest will quarantine the person for seven more days. Leviticus 13:5 NLT

    (Isolation contains diseases. While proper quarantines developed later in history, the Bible advised to isolate the affected person for 7 days and if the affected area has not changed to isolate/quarantine them for another 7 days.)

    28 If you pick up its carcass, you must wash your clothes, and you will remain defiled until evening. These animals are unclean for you. Leviticus 11:28 NLT

    (Sanitizing is really important. The pandemic has made us all pros in sanitizing our hands and clothes in order to avoid spreading germs, but the Bible mentioned its importance a long time ago as we note here in Leviticus 11:28. )

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1 NLT

    (One of our most brilliant scientist the physicist Albert Einstein theorized/concluded through his theory of relativity that the universe had a beginning and was not eternal as he had previously believed. His theory proved that the universe is not a cause, but instead one big effect—something brought it into existence. And of course Christians like myself believe it was Our Creator Almighty God who brought the universe and everything else that exists into existence.)

    Oh and besides all these verses I presented above let me not forget all the many archaeological artifacts that authenticates the credibility of the Bible. A simple Google search will bring up all these archaeological artifact findings. One I find particularly fascinating is the Hittite Monuments From Boghazkoy...Mementos of an Imperial People.

    Yes Above your biases are on full display here. IMHO they shouldn't have banned the books, just make it an option for parents to decide if they want their kids to use those books or not...that's the American way I used to know.

    Ok Above thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    Above Alpha hasn't been around in years - you are responding to a ghost from 2014 ?! Brother Mitt , wandering the halls talking to ghosts will not make the tough questions go away.

    "We are all sinners" and would you confess your sin .. blaspheming the annointed one it would be good ... but, you refuse to accept the teachings of Jesus ... blocking ears, eyes, mouth, nose .. any orifice that might let the light in..

    Why are you afraid to tell us the name of your God Brother Mitt -- are you ashamed of the one you worship ?
     
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    Obviously your contention is that the Bible is unreliable as is. The Bible which encompasses the OT/NT has been deemed very reliable by many credible sources. But of course you won't get that seal of approval from the critics opposing the Bible that's obvious.

    Have you done some real thorough research? I think probably not, probably just going to the critics websites imo. You should see what the other side have to say, then evaluate what's been giving to you with an open mind and make a determination. If you still contend the Bible is unreliable then so be it. Is there anything else anyone could say to you to change your mind? I think not.

    Above check this out below:

    Would you present your source from where you gathered these claims regarding "Members of the Faith"?
    So you're acknowledging that you're being foolish? You're the one arguing over individual words. Your initial statement confirms that. Yes Above, you're being foolish I agree. Speaking about foolishness.

    We Read in Scripture:

    1 Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good! Psalm 53:1 NLT

    Ok Above thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    What kind of comedy routine do you call this?...is it called the ludicrously silly routine?

    Because you personally spoke to every last one of them and got their personal opinions/beliefs...right? Is this more comedy coming from you and you're just joking around...not being serious...right?...lol

    But if on the other hand you're serious, then could you share with us the data you compiled in taking this survey amongst the archaeologists with names...etc.? If you can't produce it then we can say it was all a comedy skit from you joking around not being serious. Boy these comedians can be real hilarious at times!

    Ok Gift thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    It is reality .. didn't need to speak to every scientists -- only a hermit does not know what the consensus is.. and its by a huge margin.

    The only significant religious group on the planet that belives the Earth is roughly 6000 years old - and a flood covering the entire earth happened around 2200 BC .. are the fundamentalists. and the vast majority of scientists all over the world do not hold these demonstrably false religious beliefs

    Now .. you keep trying to avoid the very tough question Brother Mitt. You tell us to worship this wonderful God of yours .. but can not tell us the name of this God .. so that we know which one to worship ? What was the name of the God of Abraham Mitt ?
     
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    Sorry Above but I agree with Wan's statement "humans are not apes" and you know what I didn't even need to ponder about it for any length of time...it was just automatic...lol

    Darwin's scientist still haven't found the "missing link" and so no one can say it's a fact humans are apes. So you are making a false statement. Until that "missing link" is found and irrefutable evidence is provided that statement of yours will always be false. Matter of fact since the beginning of God's creation humans have never been part of the animal kingdom like those apes have been. Let me provide Scripture that gives us the true picture.

    We Read in Scripture:

    24 Then God said, “Let the earth produce every sort of animal, each producing offspring of the same kind—livestock, small animals that scurry along the ground, and wild animals.” And that is what happened. 25 God made all sorts of wild animals, livestock, and small animals, each able to produce offspring of the same kind. And God saw that it was good.

    26 Then God said, “Let us make human beings[a] in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.”

    27 So God created human beings[c] in his own image.

    In the image of God he created them;

    male and female he created them.

    28 Then God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and multiply. Fill the earth and govern it. Reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals that scurry along the ground.” Genesis 1:24-28 NLT

    Ok thanks Above & Wan for your posts, it was a pleasure for me to respond to them.
     
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    Brother Mitt -- why are you having conversations with ghosts of 2014 - Do you miss Brother Ren and Brother Alpha ? Alpha was good but I fear Brother Ren was lost soul. Ahh well .. can't win em all I guess. Perhaps if you knew the name of the one true God ..you would have been able to save that one.. but alas..

    and No Mitt .. you are not an Ape .. those are distant cousins -- well . less distant for some than others .. but way back .. prior to the floods caused by the end of last ice age.
     
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    I would not be surprised at all if everything both of you said were true back then in Jan of 2014 when you first both posted, matter of fact it's probably all true.

    Below is a survey done 12 years ago back in 2010. Would be interesting to see an updated survey today. It showed approximately a third of the estimated 2010 global population of 6.9 billion were Christians or 2.18 billion.

    But again Above & trev I'm not surprised by your statements. Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ being omniscient as He is, told us in Scripture that the highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way, but the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.

    So approx. only one-third of the world's total population are Christians. Yep...evidently the majority are non-Christians like the Lord knew it would be.

    We Read in Scripture:

    The Narrow Gate

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,
    13 "You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." Matthew 7:13-14 NLT

    You know the majority of people who do not accept the Lord are in a sense like the people of the sports gambling world. The majority of gamblers are losers, only a minority of them are winners. That's why the neon lights in Vegas are still strongly lit.

    The unbelievers of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ who represent the majority of people are gambling that their eternal fate will not be as what is written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible in that they will be separated from God and be sent to hell for punishment of their sins. They are gambling that their eternal fate will be one of total non-existence, no consciousness, no awareness that they are even dead, no after-life experience awareness whatsoever but just a state of being as dead as a life-less doorknob.

    While the believers of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ who represent the minority of people, are not gambling at all because they want to be with the Lord. They know they got nothing to lose with the Lord but everything to lose without the Lord.

    They who have believed faithfully, trusted, been loyal, who have loved the Lord with all their hearts and souls, they will be with Him in Paradise in His Kingdom of Heaven and live happily ever after in eternity.

    A place where the Lord will wipe every tear from their eyes, where there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain because all those things will be gone forever.

    We Read in Scripture:

    4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.” Revelation 21:4 NLT

    Ok thanks Above & trev for your posts, it was a pleasure for me to respond to them.
     
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    I said, I won't be asking you for proof, after you recite Homer to state his writings as truth.

    Again, I just don't care. I mean if there was a thread about the ancient Greek poet Homer's writings as being truth, you won't see me going there to ask all sorts of questions, engaging in discussions/conversations, making all sorts of comments.

    But why do you come to a thread that's about the Christian religion? You believe Almighty God is a fictional character so why all the scrutiny...the questions...the comments regarding Him?

    Aren't you comfortable in your belief that He is just a fictional character and not real?

    Again you can believe the ancient Greek poet Homer's writings are truth but you are not going to see me hounding you for proof, nor will I ask all kinds of questions about Homer's writings...why? because I'm not interested in fiction.

    That's the difference between you and I, I mean you believe Almighty God is a fictitious character yet you seem very interested in Him...hmm!...I wonder why? Could it be you're not fully comfortable in your belief that He is indeed a fictitious character?...yeah that's got to be it...no doubt! Well you can do something about it, don't just sit there time is of great essence and begin your wonderful journey into believing in the Creator Almighty God!

    Ok teco thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    No dairy let me correct you here. God wants everyone in the world to understand His Words, His messages. It's just that there are people who have interpretation impaired issues, iow their reading comprehension skills are very poor especially when reading Scripture.

    And then we have Scripture that always paints a clear picture tells us that the devil has blinded the minds of the unbelievers. I believe this is why so many have interpretation impaired issues, it's the devil blinding the minds of those who don't believe. In these 39 threads of mine I've encountered numerous upon numerous of times where I had to call out posters who were unbelievers to tell them they misinterpreted what was said in Scripture as well as what I was saying directly to them. It's all documented one just needs to go through the threads to witness it themselves. Exorcise anyone? It will free you from the devil's evil spirit in your minds...I'm serious!

    We Read in Scripture:

    4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. 5 You see, we don’t go around preaching about ourselves. We preach that Jesus Christ is Lord, and we ourselves are your servants for Jesus’ sake. 2 Corinthians 4:4-5 NLT

    Ok dairy thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    Well the Christian religion is all about God's revelation to mankind so I don't see the difference...think about Christian religion then you think about God. My thread that you have visited frequently to ask questions as you well know is about the Christian religion.

    And so even though you don't believe He exists, you still can't help but think about Him.

    Maybe you could do something constructive with all that thinking about Him and really get to know Him by not only reading the Bible but another alternative is visiting Christian websites and read their many articles that they published. Very interesting reading and you'll learn a whole lot about the Creator Almighty God.

    Well ok Mj thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    Bringing up bad sinful behavior doesn't diminish/discredit the religion. Let me once again point out that we are all sinners and that the destructive power of sin can even infiltrate the church.

    So no one is immune, yes not even the church. So I'm hearing things that don't surprise me at all. Just goes to show how we all really need a Savior. We can thank God that He has provided us one in His Son the Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,
    16 For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 NLT

    Ok trev thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    "Bad Sinful Behavior":chainsaw: --- "The need for a Savior" :banana: ---- "Thank God" :cheerleader:

    Now that is a powerful powerpoint presentation PPP - Thank you Brother Mitt.

    One thing though .. Who is the God we are supposed to be thanking .. for sending the Savior - for your bad sinful behavior ? :clapping:

    Who is the God we be praising Brother Mitt - :applause::worship::worship:
     
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    Well good morning Gift my boy! How are you doing today on this beautiful Sunday morning?... hope all is well with you and the family. To answer your question, we Christians praise/worship have faith in the Creator Almighty God who is the Christian God, the Trinity, The Father, Son (Jesus Christ), Holy Spirit. He is the one and only true God for there are no other god/s in existence.

    The one and only true God the Christian God is the one that gave us His revelations in the Holy Bible. He has several names that people use to refer to Him. Let me just give you a few of them:

    ELOHIM, God "Creator, Mighty and Strong"

    EL SHADDAI "God Almighty"

    YHWH/ YAHWEH/ JEHOVAH, "Lord"

    YAHWEH-SHALOM "The Lord Our Peace"

    There are many other names for Him but a few here will suffice. Some people even refer to Him as the "Eternal One", "Heavenly Father" but referring to Him as "God" or "Lord" are the simplest ways to refer/call Him.

    We Read in Scripture:

    2 But Abram replied, “O Sovereign Lord, what good are all your blessings when I don’t even have a son? Since you’ve given me no children, Eliezer of Damascus, a servant in my household, will inherit all my wealth. Genesis 15:2 NLT

    11 For the honor of your name, O Lord,
    forgive my many, many sins. Psalm 25:11 NLT

    Ok Gift my boy thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    amen and good morning all. I’m here in Mexico. My brothers “ox is upside down in the ditch” May the Blessings of the Lord continue for us
     
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    Very good .. Brother Mitt - you have managed to come up some names and titles for various Gods .. but, you got the question wrong.

    The question is not what the name of the Christian God is --- which we know is YHWH - or Yahu - a war God associated with the Mountain and the Forge -- the Copper Snake God and Sky God -- The Israelites took this God to Battle .. against the Elohim .. who you mention .. the other Son's of El - of whicy YHWH was one.

    The question is by what name did Abe call his God .. which was not YHWH. Abe's God was chief God of Canaanite Pantheon .. an epithet of which was El Shaddai .. God On High - God of the Mountain .. .. El's house was on a Mountain .. and he was the eternal Sky God and chief of all God's on earth .. so Holy .. some of the other divinities could not look upon him.

    During Abe's time - around 1800 BC - El was head of the show on earth .. YHWH is a small time forge God .. doesn't have much of a following -- Tribal folk in the land of Edom .

    When Moses Shows up -- El has retired into the heavens -- no longer Chief God on Earth .. that title is being fought over by El's sons -- Marduk being the prime contender -- Hadad being another strong one.. YHWH was there -- Chemosh - Baal's .. many different Gods vying for that title. "As we read in Scripture". Yahu battles these Gods .. did well against the lesser Gods .. but got a bit too big for Britches and was defeated.

    The Jews then ditch this Yahu .. and pick a new God .. who's "named" is Ha Shem --- and decide to worship only this God
    This new God is one of the Primordial one's - having no human characteristics like God YHWH - so not one of the "Like US" crowd . not one of the Gods who created humans .. and rather than being a created being .. like the Elohim -- and like Jesus .. this God is the uncreated one. The good one of the two.. or rather .. the one representing order rather than Chaos.. as opposed to strictly good and evil terms .. although the other one gets credit for being the source of evil as well.

    So Brother Mitt - to which of these divinities does Jesus pray ?

    El - "Supreme one" - head of the Divine Council - God of Abe
    YHWH - Warrior God - Sun of El -- transformed into Sky/Sun-God - tried out for Chief God on Earth after El moved up into the heavens.
    "The Uncreated one" - who the Jews adopt while under Persia .. the God of the "Annointed one" God of the Magi who presided over the birth of Jesus.

    Now we getting into some tough questions Brother Mitt.. Who is this uncreated God .. "Ha Shem" - and which of these Gods does Jesus pray to ?
     
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    Buenos Dias mi Hermano Todd! Hey don't drink the water there...lol What?..ox upside down in the ditch...whoa! How did it happen? Well hope all turns out ok. Have fun there and come home in one piece mi amigo/Hermano!

    Ok thanks Brother Todd for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it and yes indeed may the blessings of the Lord continue for us!
     
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    Why not? That's being happy forever, continuously, non-stop. No one can attain that here on earth. I mean there is nobody on this earth that has continuous happiness everyday of their entire lives until their deaths...none, zilch, nada. Mixed with the good times we all face misery and sorrow in our lives. Of course if you live the righteous way that God wants you to live you will find more happiness than sorrows but again you will not be happy everyday of your life...just impossible here on earth. But when we talk about heaven well now that's a whole new ball game.

    Our Lord will bestow infinite happiness and well being for anyone who wants it, for anyone who believes in Him, for anyone who has accepted His only begotten Son Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior will attain it.

    Well that's the atheistic world view on how they see life here on earth. To an atheist life is pointless, has no purpose so it's meaningless to them, so yeah they see their lives as devoid of meaning...so sad indeed.

    That's not the world view of Christians. We believe our lives are a gift from Our Creator Almighty God. We see our lives as having a purpose of being very meaningful. We understand why the world is the way it is, it's because we live in a fallen, broken world due to the sinful nature of mankind. But the Christian God has promised the ones who believe in Him, who has unquestioning faith and love for Him, that a better place is awaiting them, a place where the Lord will wipe every tear from our eyes, where there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain because all those things will be gone forever. A place of eternal bliss in paradise.

    We Read in Scripture:

    4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.” Revelation 21:4 NLT

    Look I understand, I mean atheists don't believe God exist and so to them they are not choosing to go to hell and be punished for their sins, I get that. As for the other religions that are non-Christian their fate will be the same as the atheists/agnostics. They will be separated from God for all eternity according to the Scriptures of the Holy Bible, in other words that is according to what God has revealed to us.

    We Read in Scripture:

    6 Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." John 14:6 NLT

    Ok creation thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    This is coming from a person who is a non-Christian telling Christians our religion has issues unresolved regarding salvation...ludicrous I say!

    It's like me a non-Buddhist telling Buddhists that they are not following their founder Siddhartha Gautama the right way, they have issues within their religion and so they will not achieve enlightenment as their founder had achieved by liberating himself from inherent suffering by cultivating wisdom, virtue, and concentration....I don't think they would appreciate me one bit...and I don't blame them. They would no doubt tell me to skedaddle out of their sight immediately...lol

    Well ok Gift thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    "ludicrous I say" - What is ludicrous is you responding to posts from 2014 -- while avoiding responding to posts made yesterday - in a desperate attempt to hide from scripture and tough questions ..

    Then you call me a "non Christian" - when it is you who runs from the teachings of Jesus. It is you who tries to supplant the teachings of Jesus with man made dogma from the deceiver .. teachings that are the antithesis to that of Jesus .. teachings which are "Anti - Christ"

    "Our Religion" - What is "our Religion" - you and the heretics on that "Got.Question" website calling themselves Christians .. while defaming his name and distorting the teachings of Christ - as the wolves in sheeps clothing that Jesus warned about are wont to do. What kind of dark religion are you selling ?!

    For as we read in Scripture - 15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
     
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    Simmer down Gift my boy before you bust a nerve...lol How many times do I have to remind you about my mission here regarding these 39 threads of mine? I keep telling you and you keep forgetting...sheesh! are you having memory problems too besides your interpretation impaired issues?
    Anyway below is my very first post on this thread Part 39.

    And because now I'm on Part 11 answering questions/responding to comments let me update my first post to what is below:

    So Gift my boy that is what I'm doing. When one of your post comes up I will answer it, let you have your word but don't expect me to have those silly debates back n forth that you grave for. I don't have time for your nonsense because I have to move on to answer other questions on Part 11. I am so far behind I just don't have time for your nonsense.

    Ok Gift thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it and hopefully you'll once and for all understand my mission here...tutaloo!
     

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