Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Self Deception .. is when talking to ghosts is used as an excuse to avoid "Tough Questions" - in life - and in particular in the case of religious conviction.

Exit Councilers - wise in the ways of destructive cults - talk about "Thought Stopping techniques" ... it is something smart cult leaders use as part of the indoctrination of the flock. The adherent is taught - To Avoid that Bad Thought .. one that might lead to ......

You just might be a Red-neck "if" comes to mind -

In any case .. you were name calling in the last post .. trying to "Demonize the Other" - "Non Christians" .. "Not one of US" "Not Our Religion" .. and while that all may or may not be true .. What are You ? as in what is "Our Religion" .. that you are referring to .. that which is obviously non-Christian as well -- as per your anti-Jesus prognostications... what religion is this "Our Religion" ?

And where do I sign up to Join ?

 

Correction:

 

Sorry dairy but your statements are not worth a whole lot because you've been wrong so many times before. It's all documented on these threads. This will be another documentation here when I'm done responding to you in this post of mine.

FYI Bibles don't have an expiration date like perishable food items, canned goods, milk, juice...etc. If you thought that they did because a new edition came into print it means you are not well informed.

My Bible the 2nd Edition 2004 from the New Living Translation Bible is as valid today as it was back in 2004. There are no errors in my Bible. And just because a certain Bible has a new edition that doesn't make the previous edition invalid. Did you falsely believe they do this to change the messages of the Bible and make new stuff up?...lol

Here don't take my word for it but read what Ellen a customer representative of Tyndale House Publishers has to say below after I posed an inquiry into the matter knowing full well she would respond the way she did because I know that Bibles don't become invalid just because a new edition comes into print.

But anyhoot below is Ellen's response:

What...another IMO from you...lol

No dairy I'm not masquerading as a Christian because I am a Christian, I keep in line with what's written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible, which is the Word of God. I know what I believe, I have strong stable convictions so I don't wander around like you have. You told us you were a strong Christian at one point but now more agnostic.

Can't you make your mind up what you want to believe in? When you were a strong Christian you were on the right path but why you got off the path I don't recall you telling us. Do you want to share with us now why you got off the right path?

Well ok dairy thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.

 

Self Deception .. is when talking to ghosts is used as an excuse to avoid "Tough Questions" - in life - and in particular in the case of religious conviction.

Exit Councilers - wise in the ways of destructive cults - talk about "Thought Stopping techniques" ... it is something smart cult leaders use as part of the indoctrination of the flock. The adherent is taught - To Avoid that Bad Thought .. one that might lead to ......

You just might be a Red-neck "if" comes to mind -

In any case .. you were name calling in the last post .. trying to "Demonize the Other" - "Non Christians" .. "Not one of US" "Not Our Religion" .. and while that all may or may not be true .. What are You ? as in what is "Our Religion" .. that you are referring to .. that which is obviously non-Christian as well -- as per your anti-Jesus prognostications... what religion is this "Our Religion" ?

How do I become a member of this Religion

 

RE: Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity
SUBTOPICS: Accurate Meaning / Interpretation
※→ Giftedone, Mitt Ryan, et al,

I see a little bit of deception and misdirection going on here. To be "deceptive" is to introduce an appearance or impression different from the true appearance of observation actually depicted in the real world.

All of the "Abrahamic Religions" are entirely faith-based (Metaphysical); as opposed to being subject to being examinable by the scientific method (explainable using the known laws of the universe).

◈ IF you believe in the existence of a Supreme Being, an unknown intelligent power responsible for the creation of the universe, THEN you have stepped into the world of the "Supernatural." ​

You cannot demonize something that is not there. You can only demonize the consequences of the belief and the impact of following that belief. And as far as implying that "masquerading as a Christian" is again → dealing in the unknown.

◈ IF you cannot define or otherwise present the fundamental construct of "Christianity" THEN any belief can be preceived as being Christian.
​

In no aspect of the Abrahamic Religions. There are differences between the interpretation and application of The Ancient Hebrew Scriptures, the various Bibles, or the Koran. The discriminating observer might ask:

◈ How is anyone able to demonstrate that their belief is the only true belief?​

Arguments of this nature can only make sense if they can be useful when the source of the power in their belief has something that they can step into and feel comfortable.

Just My Thought,

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Is the Bible an accurate historical record?

 

Yes it is when you consider many of its historical details have been confirmed. Certain portions that were held in doubt were later verified by archaeology. But truth be told, not every single detail in the Bible can be directly confirmed, however that doesn't make it unreliable because it contains parts that cannot be confirmed or have not yet been confirmed.

Archaeological findings/discoveries play a major role in authenticating the validity of the historical Bible. And there have been many archeological discoveries from the past up to the present. If you care to look at it, below is a link regarding the top 10 biblical-archaeology discoveries of 2021.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/n...gy-top-10-discoveries-new-artifacts-2021.html

Ok edna thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.

 

Actually there are tons of Biblical historical inaccuracies. Just wanted to know where your heads at. Thanks.

 

No there are not... AND I already knew where your head is.

 

A walking example of the Dunning Kruger effect.

 

Well that was the cause of the Reformation, when Protestantism and Catholicism split, which happened a long time ago back in 1517 I believe it was. As far as Protestants and Catholics are concerned each went their own separate ways.

My thread is not about Catholicism and their teachings/doctrines/traditions because I'm not a Catholic. I'm a Bible Christian which is same as saying I'm a Protestant and so I believe in faith alone. But let me get this clear, when we say faith alone we are not saying/suggesting there is no good works involved. Will explain further later on in the post.

Lastly stating, "The majority of Christianity does not believe this" Whether that statement is true or not doesn't mean the majority has to be right in what they believe. It is a fallacy of the argument of popularity or as the fallacy is normally called, argumentum ad populum which is a type of informal fallacy, specifically a fallacy of relevance, and is similar to an argument from authority (argumentum ad verecundiam). It uses an appeal to the beliefs, tastes, or values of a group of people, stating that because a certain opinion or attitude is held by a majority, it is therefore correct.

Basically what Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ was preaching on the Sermon on the Mount was obeying God's laws, to live one's life the righteous way. He was teaching the people about the law, anger, adultery, divorce, vows, revenge, and love for enemies.

What James said is really misunderstood by those who believe James is saying faith plus works. So obviously they are misinterpreting his words. Let me put up that one verse where this misunderstanding originates from.

We Read in Scripture:

24 So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. James 2:24 NLT

They see this one verse and automatically they assume James is saying "faith plus works". One has to examine the whole James' argument in his epistle (letter). After reading it entirely we begin to understand that James is refuting the idea that a person can have saving faith without producing any good works. If one has genuine faith in the Lord Jesus, James says, it will produce a changed life and result in good works. And so he is not saying that justification is by faith plus works, but that a person who is justified by faith will have good works in his/her life.

So a person who has faith in the Lord Jesus will automatically perform good works, it's intertwined with having faith so to speak. Now of course I'm talking about true, sincere, unquestioning faith and not the fake kind of faith...capiche? Not the kind that says yeah I have lots of faith on Sundays then turns around from Monday thru Saturday breaking a whole host of God's laws...that's what you call "fake faith".

Continuing on, there are many places in the Bible that teach salvation is through faith alone and not faith plus works as shown below:

We Read in Scripture:

8 God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9 Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. Ephesians 2:8-9 NLT

(So it is by God's grace we are saved, through faith when we believed. Keyword here is "grace" which refers to God's blessing in the undeserving.)

6 And since it is through God’s kindness, then it is not by their good works. For in that case, God’s grace would not be what it really is—free and undeserved. Romans 11:6 NLT

(The very idea of grace negates all attempts to earn salvation. The Apostle Paul makes that argument when teaching on God’s choosing of the remnant of Israel as shown in the verse above.)

31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with everyone in your household.” Acts 16:31 NLT

28 So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law. Romans 3:28 NLT

9 and become one with him. I no longer count on my own righteousness through obeying the law; rather, I become righteous through faith in Christ.[a] For God’s way of making us right with himself depends on faith. Philippians 3:9 NLT

5 But people are counted as righteous, not because of their work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners. Romans 4:5 NLT

13 And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own[a] by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago. Ephesians 1:13 NLT

Faith Brings Joy

5 Therefore, since we have been made right in God’s sight by faith, we have peace[a] with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us. Romans 5:1 NLT

16 Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.” Galatians 2:16 NLT

24 Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. Galatians 3:24 NLT

14 He gave his life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us, and to make us his very own people, totally committed to doing good deeds. Titus 2:14 NLT

10 For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago. Ephesians 2:10 NLT

(The Apostle Paul says we were created to do good works in the verse above).

So our salvation comes from God's grace through faith, that faith is made evident/obviously in good works. Works follow the faith and are a proof of it, therefore we are not saved by doing good works, but we are saved for the purpose of doing good works.

Good works are a vital part of the Christian life because doing good is one of the reasons God saves us....He has things for us to do. But the sequence is all-important...good works are not the cause of salvation but the purpose of it.

One last point to make, there are various Christian religious groups that differ regarding works in addition to faith needed for salvation.

Many groups point to water baptism as a work you must do in order to be saved. Then we have others saying you must be baptized by the right minister, using the right method, saying the right words, if you don't do these things you will not be saved according to these groups but Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said no such things in regards to baptism. All He said in the Gospel of Mark was that anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said, 16 Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned. Mark 16:16 NLT

Then we have others say faith plus receiving Mass, faith plus going to confession, faith plus tithing and so on and on.

Those "works" are unbiblical except for baptism because of what the Lord said it Mark 16:16, however though He did not specify the manner in which it had to be done.

But as far as those other "works" mentioned, there is no where written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible that God tells us in addition to having faith we must perform all these " works" that are practiced by these various religious groups. Don't get me wrong, they can continue to do them but it is not necessary to do them, meaning if you don't do them it doesn't mean you won't be saved.

When we confess our sins, we confess directly to the Lord, not to an assigned Catholic priest. Doesn't make sense confessing to a priest who is a sinner himself, who because he is a sinner cannot forgive sins. Only the Lord can forgive sins, since He is perfectly holy, righteous, sinless.

Well ok Gift, thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it and hopefully you've learned something here today.

 

Now Now Brothers and Sisters - Lest we not quarrel - and build our faith on absolute Historical accuracy of the Bible - a foundation - like the walls of Jericho will come crashing down - for this is the path of the Literalist - a path destined to fail - in the search for Truth.

The word we will be exploring today is "Anachronism"

For as we read in Scripture -- Jericho in the 13th century BC was sacked by Joshua .. and the walls came crumbling down. but unfortunately .. there were no walls in Jericho at that time Period --- The author of Joshua didn't know this however as after the 7th Century BC .. there were indeed walls at Jericho.

So a few things 1) Joshua was written many centuries after the stories it depicts 2) The Bible is errent .. not the "Literal word of God"

The literalist brain can not deal with this .. and will go into wild fits of denial - avoidance .. employing various "thought stopping mechanisms" to avoid the "Bad Though"

The one who understands that the writers of the Bible -- doing the best they could ..sometimes engaged in allegory - in order to tell the story - pass the message down. This does not mean there was not an Israelite victory over jericho .. where the city was sacked .. the Israelites over-ran the city -- killed every inhabitant ..burnt it to the ground .. and so on .. 100% this did happen- by one of the tribes who ended up becoming part of the later Israelite Kingdom .. they just didn't topple the walls as described.. or at least not at that period.

Now .. the next lesson - is to explain what the role of the Priestess in the Temple of YHWH was - and why did they have male .. as well as female Temple Prostitutes ?

 

I ask this unanswered question again:

Why does an all powerful God who wants you to know something have to resort to an ancient text, with all the limitations and confusion that results in? Why not just simply make you know what he wants you to know?

Why are there so many competing and conflicting religions and understandings within each of them? Why do Christians not all agree on what God's message is? If God is all powerful, that means he intends this confusion, no?

And how can you be fairly judged on following a message you never understood? Don't you need to know what God wants before he can rightly judge you on it you do it or not?

 

Nope...none of the above applies to me but it certainly looks to me, it applies to you.

God's interventions doesn't mean He took away the choices of people. Here let me give you an analogy here. When your parents intervenes on matters regarding your well being and tells you, you must obey them in what they want you to do...you can either obey them or disobey them. You are expressing your free will here when you decide what you're going to do. Now if you decide to disobey them, don't be surprised if they now punish you for your disobedience. Your free will is not being expunged, it's still intact when you decide if you're going to obey or disobey. Am I making myself perfectly clear here with my simple analogy?

Ok for thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it, I hope you don't mind me using your middle name to refer to you, if you do mind then next time I will refer to you using your first name.

 

No, He does not hassle anyone but what He did do during the time of Joshua was to punish people for their sins & disobedience. That's exactly what happened when He had Joshua and his army destroy the Canaanite people who were evil wicked people as punishment for their sins & disobedience.

The Canaanite people as I've already mentioned were evil people and because of their sins & disobedience our righteous God of the Old Testament allowed the killings (punishments) of the Canaanites and the Amalekites. God had morally sufficient reasons for ordering the destruction of these nations. The Canaanite culture reveals its inherent moral wickedness, they were a brutal, aggressive people who engaged in bestiality, incest, and even child sacrifice. Deviant sexual acts were the norm.

The Canaanites' sin were so repellent that God said, because the entire land has become defiled He was punishing the people who live there and will cause the land to vomit them out...whoa!...they had to be so disgustingly evil & wickedly depraved people!

We Read in Scripture:

Because the entire land has become defiled, I am punishing the people who live there. I will cause the land to vomit them out. Leviticus 18:25 NLT

The Canaanites were aware of God’s power and they could have repented. Even so, God had patiently waited over 400 years until the Canaanites would be ripe for judgment.

Well they most certainly did kill and justifiably so, but sorry I don't read anything in Scripture about Joshua's army raping women. Obviously you are assuming that happened but when you do that you're essentially just making stuff up that is not written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible.

Can you try to be intellectually honest here and not make statements that are unbiblical? Apparently it's you that needs to read the Book of Joshua over again, and please this time take some notes that are not filled with make up stuff...ok?

But anyway since you brought up the topic of "rape" the Bible condemns rape whenever it is mentioned. For example, there is a passage in the laws given to the nation of Israel before entering the Promised Land under Joshua’s leadership.

This passage spoke directly against forcing a woman into a sexual encounter against her will, or what we know today as rape. This command was meant to protect women and to protect the nation of Israel from committing sinful actions.

We Read in Scripture:

23 “Suppose a man meets a young woman, a virgin who is engaged to be married, and he has sexual intercourse with her. If this happens within a town, 24 you must take both of them to the gates of that town and stone them to death. The woman is guilty because she did not scream for help. The man must die because he violated another man’s wife. In this way, you will purge this evil from among you.

25 “But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, then only the man must die. 26 Do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no crime worthy of death. She is as innocent as a murder victim. 27 Since the man raped her out in the country, it must be assumed that she screamed, but there was no one to rescue her.

28 “Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, 29 he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver.[a] Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:23-29 NLT

Ok for thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.

 

Obeying God's laws is "Works" .. perhaps your lack of understanding is because you don't understand what "Works" means.

You were claiming "Christians Believe" - which is false as not all Christians believe "Sola Fide" -- doesn't make either sides claim true, it just makes your claim false. Most of Christianity does not accept "Faith Alone"

You deceiving yourself .. What James states clearly - is that "Faith Alone" is Foolish - Useless" / Worthless. The reason your Martin Idol wanted James removed from Canon .. is because it states clearly that Faith Alone is worthless .. and that only foolish people maintain this belief.

Whats more is James is paralleling the Sermon on Mount teachings of Jesus. Running to Pauline Scripture --does not change this fact. You will have to live with the fact that James/Jesus contradict "Faith Alone" doctrine .. and that is that.

Which side is right - we do not know. What we do know is that Jesus and James contradict your Idol Martin Luther -- aka "Wolf in Sheeps Clothing"

For as We Read in Scripture - 15 “Watch out for False prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them

How is it that you are so blind to the bad fruit of your Idol Martin Brother Mitt -- under the influence of the dark side perhaps ?

 

No, not at all, it's just that you're not understanding the very important/significant role Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ had in coming into the world. It was so vitally significant, I mean had He not come into the world to save mankind from its sins, then we'd all and I mean all of mankind be condemned and punished for our sins and be separated from God forever.

But God didn't want that because His plan is for you, me, and everyone else to live with Him in heaven. But you must believe in Him. If you don't believe in Him then you won't be saved and will be separated from Him forever.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said, 16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave[a] his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 NLT

Before our first parents Adam and Eve sinned, they had a good relationship with God. They were not ashamed to come into God's presence. But after they sinned, their relationship with God changed and they were ashamed to come into God's presence. Sin had separated them and the entire human race from God. But God did not want sin to keep people from having a relationship with Him. So He provided a way in which people could be cleansed of their sins and live with Him in heaven forever. He gave His only Son, Jesus, as the perfect payment for everyone's sins.

God is being fair and just towards the people not receiving or knowing about God's salvation plan, never hearing about Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ, like those poor souls in North Korea and other places in the world. He couldn't just condemn them all, it's not their fault for not receiving the Good News of the Gospels, God's salvation plan.

So these people will be judged fairly and justly by God if they go to their deaths never receiving God's salvation plan. Depending on His judgment some will be saved others not saved.

Scripture tells us that God being fair and just (as we believers know He always is), did not punish those people who sinned in times past in other words people who lived prior to Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ. He was looking ahead and including them in what He would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate His righteousness, for He Himself is fair and just and He declares sinners to be right in His sight when they believe in the Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

We Read in Scripture:

For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard. Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. Romans 3:23-26 NLT

In today's world there are more people who have heard of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ and what He represents than those who have not. So clearly the disadvantaged are the ones who haven't heard of Him and that's why missionary work continues today into the far corners of the world to bring the Good News of the Gospels to these people. But again as I've already mentioned these people if they go to their deaths never receiving God's salvation plan, they will be judged fairly and justly by God and so some of them will be saved others not saved depending on His judgment of them.

Ok Grasping thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it, and hopefully my response changed your attitude into one that now understands the very important/significant role Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ had in coming into the world.

 

His sacrifice and resurrection also conquered death, and brought about the power of our resurrection and immortality.

 

But let me point out, the individuals that have heard have a much better chance than the ones who have not heard of being saved, so the advantage is clearly with the ones that have heard of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

Here let me present a scenario to illustrate this point.

You have an individual who for most of their entire adult life have been a very depraved, wicked evil person. Never gave a darn about anyone else but just their self...as lowly as they come.

But then this person gradually changes their sinful lifestyle after being introduced to the Good News of the Gospels. It changes so much to the point that this person is now a follower/believer of the Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

This person admits to the Lord of being a sinner, asks the Lord for forgiveness for the sins committed in their life.

This person starts doing good works/deeds, starts caring more about other people. This person according to the Scriptures of the Holy Bible will be saved.

Now we have this other individual living in the remote jungles of South America, who has never received the Good News of the Gospels. This person has the same depraved, wicked, lifestyle as the first individual I described above. This person eventually goes to their death not ever knowing about the Good News of the Gospels. Well we can most likely conclude that God after judging this person will not save this person.

But given the same opportunity as the first person I described above in receiving the Good News of the Gospels, who knows, this person could have ended up like the first person above and be saved.

Ok trev thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.

 

I'm not here to teach anyone to be a Christian but rather if you had tough questions pertaining to God/Jesus/Holy Bible and I will do my best to clarify and make sense of it to those who are unaware. My first post on the thread clearly described my mission and I can tell you it wasn't a mission to teach anyone to be a Christian. You got to first want to be one, then you find yourself a nice Christian church near your home to attend and become part of the congregation.

Well if you begin on your own in reading what's in the Holy Bible it's a start on your journey into becoming a believer but if after awhile you find it's not for you then so be it. Can anyone really say anything to you to change your mind?

Well He told us what He wants. The Holy Bible is God's revelation to mankind. I can never speak for God, He has already spoken. All I do here is basically reiterate what He has already spoken when I present what's written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible.

Not quite sure what you mean here so can't answer. When you have time could you please elaborate more.

Ok little voice thanks for your post, come back later to explain you last question and I'll be more than happy and try my best to answer it.

 

My cheerleaders are far more prettier than yours any day of the week!

 

Which one's are those Mitt - you got auditions for temple prostitutes going on ? Is that because the Bible told you so ?

Are those Male or Female Temple Prostitutes Brother Mitt .. you never did explain what the purpose of the Male Prostitues in the Temple of YHWH was.

 

RE: Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity
SUBTOPICS: The Bible
※→ Giftedone, Mitt Ryan, et al,

No matter what particular religious followings have been selected as a moral guide, "The Bible" remains one of the most significant (if not the most significant) moral guide in the history of man. But at the end of the day, the benefits of "The Bible" are about what inspiration one derives.

Once you are able to accept and get past the mental barrier of the "all-powerful Creator" that gives rise to the notion of the Supreme Being and creator of the entirety of the Universe • other supernatural entities are not so difficult to accept. And this is a key factor. The Bible just becomes another book on the shelf collecting dust → IF you (personally) do not believe in the Supreme Being. BELIEF is the all-important ingredient. It is almost entirely insignificant as to which of the variations of scripture or Bible the believer selects as the source. Belief will fill in the blanks, and the discrepancies left behind by the associated educational atmosphere.

• The Vulgate (St. Jerome around A.D. 400.)
• The Septuagint LXX ∫ Greek Old Testament ∫ (seventy translation scribes working (2d Century) on the Hebrew Bible and the Koine GreekC).
• King James version.
• or any of the more modern options one might select.

These are but a few of the options. What becomes almost it really does not matter if the believer holds as truth the monotheistic concept or the many combinations of deities one believes in. It is almost universal that the commonality in ritual and belief is that the believer looks to the heavens (upwards into the cosmos) for a power of the unknown.

Just My Thought,

Most Respectfully,
R

 

RE: Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity
SUBTOPICS: Christian
※→ et al,

But for the purposes of this argument, is the definition of a Christian been established? Just what are the essential elements of belief must a brand of the believer have in order to be a Christian?

This gives rise to the question: If I believe in the God of Abraham and the Ten Commandments (full stop). → Am I a Christian? Was Moses a Christian?

Just My Thought,

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Well dairy it appears you haven't received the memo. You're talking pretty much about the distant past when American Indians didn't know about the Good News of the Gospels. Many native Americans in the past and today have converted over to Christianity. Sure there has to be some diehards but there are those who lived in the past as well as living today who believe/worship the Christian God. Below is an example of an Oklahoma Indian community:

Sorry dairy but we can't give anything to anyone because the only things that have been established or proven here on these first 11 threads of mine are your poor reading comprehension, not being well informed regarding religious matters, and that you claimed at one time being a strong Christian but now an agnostic.

Furthermore, the fact that I profess being a Christian while you now claim to be an agnostic it would be more logical, appropriate to say that satan...that handsome devil guy the one who is the father of lies & deception is your daddy, your god. He has infiltrated and blinded your mind and successfully got you off the right path. An exorcism is highly recommended to get you back on the right path...seriously!

We Read in Scripture:

4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. 5 You see, we don’t go around preaching about ourselves. We preach that Jesus Christ is Lord, and we ourselves are your servants for Jesus’ sake. 2 Corinthians 4:4-5 NLT

16 Your rich commerce led you to violence, and you sinned. So I banished you in disgrace from the mountain of God. I expelled you, O mighty guardian, from your place among the stones of fire. 17 Your heart was filled with pride because of all your beauty. Your wisdom was corrupted by your love of splendor. So I threw you to the ground and exposed you to the curious gaze of kings. Ezekiel 28:16-17 NLT

15 Instead, you will be brought down to the place of the dead, down to its lowest depths. Isaiah 14:15 NLT

Ok dairy thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.